freecounterpoint: The cross is "inappropriate", says Pepe

Thursday, October 27, 2011

The cross is "inappropriate", says Pepe

23 comments:

Charly said...: This is a bullshit mille-feuilles, with layers of nonsense piling up atop each other, but if the catholic university is private, the other illuminati ought to go worship their great pumpkin in the gardens/bathrooms/wherever. If it's public, it's an entirely different matter of course.; 10/28/2011 11:12 AM
Tecumseh said...: CUA is private. From mission statement: As the national university of the Catholic Church in the United States, founded and sponsored by the bishops of the country with the approval of the Holy See, The Catholic University of America is committed to being a comprehensive Catholic and American institution of higher learning, faithful to the teachings of Jesus Christ as handed on by the Church.

What part of that is not clear?; 10/28/2011 2:55 PM
Charly said...: If that's the case, there's nothing to disagree with. The cross (the hand of fatma, the star of david, etc....) are only objectioable in public places.; 10/28/2011 4:08 PM
Tecumseh said...: How about Notre Dame de Paris? According to your logic, it should be razed to the ground, and replaced by a monument to socialism and le Culte de la Raison. Kind of like they did during the French Revolution.; 10/28/2011 6:32 PM
Charly said...: Raze ND? Socialist Monument ?
No one is saying Krishnists can't whack tambourines in their own ashram, even when it's a public space. It's the proselytizing that is inappropriate, not religious practice in a place designed specifically for this purpose.
Any reason why you want to see competing displays of faith caking the city walls ?; 10/29/2011 12:24 AM
Charly said...: Ending the taxing power of the church, legalizing divorce, civil marriage... You against all that?; 10/29/2011 4:19 AM
Tecumseh said...: Strawman argument. As I said above, I'm against the murderous rage of the French Revolution -- much of that vicious rage being directed at Christianity, and all its symbols and practices. You for killing Carmelite nuns, just for the bloody, murderous, barbarian heck of it?; 10/29/2011 9:16 AM
Charly said...: I believe this is referred to in American English as 'collateral damage'.; 10/29/2011 11:02 AM
Tecumseh said...: Right. Like Antoine Lavoisier, whose head was chopped off by Marat and Robespierre's bloody henchmen, for allegedly "selling watered-down tobacco". The appeal to spare his life so that he could continue his experiments was cut short by the judge: "La République n'a pas besoin de savants ni de chimistes; le cours de la justice ne peut être suspendu."

Tells you all you need to know about pinko justice, and the alleged reverence of the Left for science.; 10/29/2011 2:41 PM
Charly said...: Marat eventually got what he deserved but you seem nostalgic for the Ancient Regime. Revolutions are bloody, unfair and painful but we eventually came out ahead.; 10/29/2011 4:41 PM
Tecumseh said...: Reading is essential, Charly. I'm nostalgic for the terrible (and totally unnecessary) loss of life and property inflicted by the French Revolution, who invented the concept of Terror as an instrument of power in the hands of the Left. Nothing -- absolutely nothing -- justifies that level of sadistic mass murder perpetuated by the Jacobins and the Comité de Salut Public.

As for Marat, yes, he did get what he deserved from Charlotte Corday, a brave woman who got her head chopped, too. So did eventually Robespierre, Saint Just, and all that sordid lot of psychopatic head-hackers. Good riddance.; 10/29/2011 5:05 PM
Charly said...: Ah yes. Far better a smooth transition to democracy than this (largely) unnecessary bloodbath. Who could disagree with that?; 10/29/2011 9:17 PM
Tecumseh said...: The American Revolution went much better.; 10/29/2011 10:32 PM
Charly said...: And thé russian much worse.; 10/30/2011 2:31 AM
Tecumseh said...: True enough. But that's lowering the bar quite a lot.; 10/30/2011 8:29 AM
Charly said...: Incidentally, the American Revolutionary war left 70k dead (50 Americans and 20 Brits) wiki vs 16-40k during the terror wiki again. So I don't think you can say the former went "much better".; 10/31/2011 1:10 AM
Tecumseh said...: That's comparing apples and oranges, Charly -- you should know better. The dead in the American Revolutionary War were almost all soldiers, fighting and dying according to the rules of war. Whereas the dead during the Reign of Terror were civilians, almost all summarily executed on trumped-up charges (like Lavoisier, since he pissed off Marat at some point for disparaging an experiment of his).

Now, if you want to compare apples with apples, you should compare those 60K dead in the American Revolutionary War to the untold hundreds of thousands dead in the French Revolutionary Wars. Wiki doesn't bother to give an estimate of casualties, but let's look at a single episode: the War in the Vendée, mostly French against French (with some Brits thrown in). It left 450,000 casualties, with untold massacres of civilians (mainly killings of Catholics by the godless revolutionaries), leading many historians to view this as a genocide.

Nothing remotely like this happened at Yorktown. You should know that.; 10/31/2011 9:03 AM
Charly said...: Right you are about guerre de vendee. I don't think I ever knew it had been such a dreadful carnage.; 11/01/2011 2:18 PM
Tecumseh said...: More info here. Sample:
Les procédés les plus barbares d'extermination ont été mis en oeuvre par les colonnes infernales.
Tanneries de peaux humaines
La pièce no 262 des Extraits des délibérations et dépositions d'Angers qui relate le témoignage de Claude Jean Humeau au tribunal d'Angers le 26 août 1795 : « que Pecquel chirurgien au 4è bataillon des Ardennes écorcha 32 de ces cadavres, les fit porter chez Lemonnier, tanneur au Ponts-Libres (actuels Ponts-de-Cé), pour les tanner, que le particulier s y refusa, qu'il sait que les peaux sont déposées chez Prud'homme, manchonnier à Angers »

Can't make an omelette without breaking some eggs, eh, Charly?; 11/01/2011 3:05 PM
Tecumseh said...: Also: Le 30 nivôse an 2 (19 janvier 1794),
Turreau transmet à ses troupes une instruction relative à l'exécution de ses ordres contre les brigands de la Vendée :" …tous les brigands qui seront trouvés les armes à la main ou convaincus de les avoir prises pour se révolter contre leur patrie seront passés au fil de la baïonnette. On en agira de même avec les filles, femmes et enfants qui seront dans ce cas. Les personnes seulement suspectes ne seront pas plus épargnées, mais aucune exécution ne pourra se faire sans que le général l'ait préalablement ordonnée"

To which Charly replies (see above):
I believe this is referred to in American English as 'collateral damage'.; 11/01/2011 3:10 PM
Tecumseh said...: Aftermath:

Les colonnes infernales ont semé l'horreur sur leur passage. Certains historiens chiffrent les morts à 200 000. La population insurgée a été décimée. Dans certains villages 20 à 40 % de la population a été exécutée.

Turreau n'est pas seul coupable. Il partage les responsabilités de ce populicide avec le comité de Salut Public et avec certains de ses généraux. Le comité a validé chacune de ses propositions tandis que certaines colonnes se délectaient de cette sale besogne et commettaient plus d'exactions que Turreau ne le préconisait.
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Le 17 mai 1794 , Turreau est suspendu. Le 29 septembre il est arrêté. Il est acquitté le 19 décembre 1795, faute de preuve. Il continue alors sa carrière militaire enchaînant les commandements et les distinctions. Il meurt le 10 décembre 1816 dans sa retraite, à Conches.

Of course, Turreau died in his bed, like most Stalinist henchmen did, many years later. And, before that, under the First French Empire, he pursued a career as a high functionary, becoming ambassador to the United States then a baron d'Empire. And, lest we forget his great deeds, his name is engraved on the 15th column of the Arc de Triomphe.

A true Hero of Planet Pepe.; 11/01/2011 3:19 PM
Charly said...: and because, uh, some of the people that participated in this, uh, somehow two centuries later had some ideological overlap with left wing people, well that goes to prove that progressive leaning today amounts to no less than condoning Le Règne de la Terreur, les tanneries de peau humaine, et le massacre de 200,000 personnes.

Does it not dawn on you that many of the credo (credi?) of the french revolution don't just resonate with today's left and that they include many republican ideals? You know, democracy and all, abolition of privileges. Ok strike that last bit, I meant the Versaillan privileges ever present on the psyche of the hispanic crowd on board.; 11/01/2011 5:24 PM
Tecumseh said...: Man, oh man. By definition, the Left is the heir of the French Revolution. Even the very name comes from the side where the pinkos where located in the Assemblée nationale. I mean, c'mon, you can't run away from Robespierre, the guillotine, the massacres in Vendée, the Comité de salut public, the desecration of churches -- the works -- they are part and parcel of the Left. Live with it, man, don't try to run away from your ab initio.; 11/01/2011 9:23 PM

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