Sunday, October 21, 2007

First world at last?


Thank heavens.
[Pepe sends this picture along. He claims one of the guys shaking Jindal's hand is a former Duke supporter. I thought Jindal went to Oxford. Do they even have a basketball team?]

9 comments:

My Frontier Thesis said...

Good luck shaping up the Big Easy, Jindal.

Here's a southern related topic: Three weeks ago I was a part of a 200+ person conference call with Big Oil. The guy leading the conference call said he hailed from, and I quote, "The Great State of Mississippi." Then he berated the group, the "participants," saying he didn't want to hear about "these 'Bill of Rights'" (there was a slight sarcasm in his voice when he said this phrase) when it came to the company safety regs. In his mind, the safety regs of Big Oil trumps Jefferson's quill.

I passed a note to another employee that said, "We need to send Sherman on another march to the sea... Contact Patraeus and let him know Mississippi before Tehran..."

Beware of unconditional support of Big Oil and Big Business, fellahs. When not put into check, they'll trample our rights without qustion, even when we're on or off the clock.

Back to the original comment: good luck in straightening that business and political corrupt shit storm up in New Orleans, Jindal. Good luck indeed.

Mr roT said...

Carnegie and Frick gave plenty examples of example of running roughshod over any concept of humanity toward their workers you could imagine, but they were also believers in Jefferson. How could that be? I doubt it was greed because if you're just about anywhere n the US there's a library Carnegie built and gave to the community. If you're in NYC, Carnegie hall and the Frick Collection are even more dramatic examples of their munificence.
I thik they understood the (misnamed in the oilman's words, I think) Bill of Rights as iterally what they say, and not some concept of humanity.

There was no OSHA then and that's what Oilman is talking about. Might be different.

Also, an overriding principle about business in America has been laissez faire.

Probably the poor immigrants C & F hired unorganized couldn't work the labor market and get a better deal.

The union schmucks that do most of the mfg jobs nowadays have plenty of rights...

Just a rant on laissez faire, sorry.

Tell us what he was talking about.

My Frontier Thesis said...

JJ, you could replace Rush on air. Remember why Teddy Roosevelt did what he did, trust-busting to be specific. Free trade is a great idea, and I encourage it within all realms. Yet free trade is not what was going on at the end of the late-19th Century "Gilded Age."

Be a little more scholarly rather than political about this: sprinkling libraries throughout the country is good, but it still doesn't mean Carnagie and James J. Hill didn't crush individual and civil liberties (this is why I fall toward Libertarian rather than Republican) while constructing the railroads.

Those massive business titans are not what Adam Smith had in mind when he remarked on the Invisible Hand. I choose to hold government accountable just as I choose to hold Big Business and Big Oil accountable. Am I mistaken in that you don't think so too?

And that the Bill of Rights is, as you put it, "not a concept of humanity"? What are you talking about? It's inextricably bound to Humanity, without question. It was one of the many Enlightenment testimonies against Divine Right and Religious Rule that had gotten Humanity into such a fucked up state in the first place. See Thomas Paine's, "The Age of Reason" (note his use of the phrase "priestcraft," too) as another example. If Carnegie and Hill and Frick didn't understand the Bill of Rights as a Humanist document, then they didn't understand it in the first place. They were busy reading Horatio Alger's dime novels (or not reading them but chasing the myth that developed around them).

Don't worry, though: even though you've gone a bit retarded on this issue, we're still gaining ground in other realms.

As for my encounter with Big Oil safety talk: the gentleman from the Great State of Mississippi repeated over and over how each employee is supposed to adhere to the Safety Rules even when they are punched out, not at work. Essentially, Big Oil Safety Rules would be adhered to 24/7. These Safety Rules trumped the Bill of Rights (as the gentleman said as well). It smacks Orwellian too much for my sensibilities, and in the end I laugh at the absurdity "We Live in a Free Country!" of it all. Ideally, yes, we strive for it. In reality, we will always have a ways to go.

Mr roT said...

Can't write much now, but the Bill of Rights is about the relation of the State to the People, not about the people to each other. That's in the rest of the law and changes from time to time.
Yes, I know that if you were a Mongol in Genghis' Army, your values would be the same that you learned from your decent parents, but, everyone else is weaker.

Arelcao Akleos said...

Ah, David Duke, PhD, today a good friend to Chomsky and IM. So, does this mean that Pepe now approves of Jindal?

Mr roT said...

nope

Tecumseh said...

From Scrappleface:

Rep. Bobby Jindal, R-LA, the 36 year-old son of Indian immigrants, won the gubernatorial election in Louisiana yesterday as “part of a Republican strategy to keep a few token non-whites in high-profile posts to deflect attention from the party’s inherent racism and anti-immigrant platform,” according to a news release from the Democrat National Committee (DNC).

Mr. Jindal’s election is also more evidence that voters hold the Bush administration responsible for the botched response to Hurricane Katrina, the DNC release said.

“Voter rage against Republicans over Katrina reached its zenith this week,” the DNC said, “as evidenced by the election of a brown-skinned Republican whose parents came from another country. It’s a slap in the face to the GOP, and to President Bush personally, because Bobby Jindal represents just the kind of person that the Republican party wants to keep out of this country, and to keep in their place once they’re here.”

The official DNC statement said Democrats who failed to vote for one of the three Democrat candidates for governor did so “in the spirit of affirmative action to lift up the downtrodden Mr. Jindal. Ultimately, his election is a victory for Democrats who have loved and cared for immigrants and racial minorities for decades, giving Jindal the breaks he needed to get a decent job at a livable wage.”

Mr roT said...

gov of LA is a decent job? I thought it was equiv to pianoplayer in a whorehouse

Arelcao Akleos said...

Sounds like a decent job, with handsomely indecent perks.