freecounterpoint: Before the GOP let foreigners in

Tuesday, October 04, 2011

Before the GOP let foreigners in

10 comments:

Tecumseh said...: Of course, Herr Rot misses a few subtleties here:

(1) This was 30 years ago. In the meantime, we had a general amnesty program for illegal aliens, signed into law by Ronnie in 1986. Part of the selling point then was that there will be no more illegal immigration after that, people will play by the rules. It didn't work, Ronnie was conned: there's been another 10 million or more illegal immigrants who came in after 1986. Ulululululu, says Rot.

(2) Bush Père and Ronnie were talking about free education for kids. Not free college tuition, like Perry is handing out now. Evidently, that little nuance escapes the parameters of Rotter Logick.

(3) Note that Reagan immediately recast the question in geopolitical terms, at least partially. He talks about the peril of communism emanating from Cuba (you know, that non-Stalinist country out in the Caribbean), and the importance of having a friendly, stable neighbor to the South. Fine. But the geopolitical situation has changed: Cuba is still communist (pace Mr Rot), and Venezuela has turn hard left in the meantime. Perhaps more relevantly, Mexico is in the throes of what is basically a civil war, one that has claimed some 40,000 victims in the past few years. That war is spilling over the border, and nothing that we're doing is helping stopping that war -- if nothing else, we've exacerbated it with Fast and Furious. But of course, Mr Rot doesn't want to hear about the Zetas or anything to do with armed incursions, or the like -- it's all a distraction or a head-fake, according to his immutable Logick. He's OK with the war in Mexico, never sees any problem with it, or any connection whatsoever with unfettered illegal immigration.

The dots never connect.; 10/04/2011 7:58 PM
Mr roT said...: The war that's spilling over the border is (net) going the other way, or at least the munitions are, now courtesy of the US taxpayer, or more properly, the Chinese banks.; 10/04/2011 10:59 PM
Tecumseh said...: Tucson: A 21-year-old man had been pistol-whipped throughout the house, the gun discharging at one point, as the attackers demanded money, the victim reported. His wife had been bathing their 3-month-old son when the intruders arrived.

“At least they didn’t put the gun in the baby’s mouth like we’ve seen before,” Sergeant Azuelo said.

Day at the office. Nothing to see here, just move along. Right?

More: The drug violence that has left nearly 4,000 people dead this year in Mexico is spreading deep into the United States, leaving a trail of slayings, kidnappings and other crimes in at least 195 cities as far afield as Atlanta, Boston, Seattle and Honolulu, according to federal authorities.

Just one of those facts of life. Put up with it, says Mr Rot, sipping Veuve Clicquot at the Sacher Café.; 10/05/2011 1:12 AM
Mr roT said...: American citizens do that shit too. The gangrene is everywhere.

Politicizing it is like the Dems that pinned the Gifford shooting on Palin.; 10/05/2011 1:24 AM
Tecumseh said...: Tu quoque, eh? How is talking about a civil war over the border spilling into this country "politicizing it"? What are we supposed to do -- ignore it, put our heads in the sand, and accept random killings as just one of things that happen?

You really do have a blind spot on this thing, don't you?; 10/05/2011 1:30 AM
Mr roT said...: You're politicizing the problem by proposing that your political allies will ameliorate the drug war problem at a reasonable cost.

This I doubt because what your buddies propose gets in the way of business and without free enterprise, there's no point to the US at all.; 10/05/2011 1:35 AM
Tecumseh said...: Is this what you mean by "business"?

"They are capable of doing about anything," said Rusty Payne, a Drug Enforcement Administration spokesman in Washington. "When you are willing to chop heads off, put them in an ice chest and drop them off at a police precinct, or roll a head into a disco, put beheadings on YouTube as a warning," very little is off limits.

In an apartment near Birmingham, Ala., police found five men with their throats slit in August. They had apparently been tortured with electric shocks before being killed in a murder-for-hire orchestrated by a Mexican drug organization over a drug debt of about $400,000.

In Phoenix, 150 miles north of the Mexican border, police have reported a sharp increase in kidnappings and home invasions, with about 350 each year for the last two years, and say the majority were committed at the behest of the Mexican drug gangs.

Yes, there is a point to the US, without having that kind of "business" going around. Me, I'd rather have this shit stopped. But hey, what do I know?; 10/05/2011 1:58 AM
Tecumseh said...: Actually, speaking of my "political allies" (what's that? you think I turned into a politician all of a sudden?), here is a guy who makes sense to me on this subject, although he's not my "buddy". Strangely enough, I haven't heard you mention this when talking about Perry. I guess you just pick and choose what you like about what he says...; 10/05/2011 2:02 AM
Mr roT said...: I'd rather that American citizens be able to engage in reasoned political discourse, but what do I know?

Perhaps rage is all that works with some people.

Close the border. Kill 'em all. Whatever, Tecs.; 10/05/2011 2:12 AM
Tecumseh said...: Right, Mr Rot. You have a way to hit the nail on the head. Not.

That said (and it's getting almost tautological to say it, especially in this context), what about Perry's proposal to take the fight to the cartels inside Mexico? I still haven't heard you comment on that.; 10/05/2011 8:46 AM

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