freecounterpoint: Love & kisses from Planet Pepe

Saturday, May 05, 2007

Love & kisses from Planet Pepe

18 comments:

Pepe le Pew said...: As a math student, one would have thought you had received some exposure to logic, ai. Just because "planet pepe" (most of the planet, by the way) doesn't support the US's eggregious war effort in iraq doesn't mean we approve of this. But I do realize your position only looks good if you make that sophistic stretch.; 5/05/2007 11:37 AM
Mr roT said...: I'm kinda for it, actually.; 5/05/2007 11:53 AM
Tecumseh said...: It "doesn't mean we approve of this." Oh, no? Then how come I don't ever hear even anything--I really mean that, literally--that would criticize at 1% (or even 0.1%) intensity the head-hackers, compared to the virulent criticism of the US, coming from the direction of Planet Pepe (shorthand lately for pinko-lefties everywhere)? I think deafening silence coming from Left field when it comes to montrous crimes commited by the enemies of Western Civilization, hell-bent on destroying us, speaks volumes on which sides they really are on. And yes, I know what logic is -- and my assessment comes with the full use of that art, which by and large is lost to the Lefty mind, clouded as it is by its blind hatred of the West -- hatred only surpassed (barely) by that of the head hackers.; 5/05/2007 12:07 PM
Pepe le Pew said...: ai - this isn't logic. you are just trying to fit a square peg (the Left) in a round hole (your bias).
in this case, the reasonning is pretty comical: lefty don't like america's actions, head-hackers don't like america at all, therefore lefty approves of all of head-hackers actions. where'd you take your logic class ai?; 5/05/2007 12:56 PM
Tecumseh said...: The logic goes like this:
* Lefties don't like Western Civ (and thus, US) -- they pine after the promised land of Marxism. (Nothing to do with actions by America -- it's been like that ever since 1848.)
* Head-hacking troglodytes come along and pose an existential challenge to the West.
* The Left sees its opening, and sides (de facto) with the head hackers. (Again, nothing personal, they would do that with anyone who gives them a chance to take power and defeat Western Civ -- eg, they positively drooled over Stalin, and Mao, and Ho Chi Minh, and Pol Pot, and Khomeini, etc; equal opportunity ass-kissers, the lefties are.)
Ergo.; 5/05/2007 1:37 PM
Pepe le Pew said...: ai, your vision of what's on the left bears little resemblance with reality:
1. lefties dislike the neocon-ic vision of what western civ ought to be, not western civ. most of them (ie the reasonable ones) aren't marxist.

2. the head hackers only pose a minor challenge to the west, which is manageable with good intelligence and police work.

3. that's a truly absurd statement: we all live in the west and it is fair to assume that lefties do not wish to have their heads hacked anymore than you right-wingers. it is also clear that the wackos wouldn't discriminate between lefties and conservatives in their head-hacking zeal. Again, once you are off the "you are with us or with the terrorists" mind set, you would understand that being against US actions in the middle east does not amount to siding with the wackos. But i'll give you that, like most sophistry, it makes a good sound bite.; 5/05/2007 2:09 PM
Mr roT said...: The headhackers are being financed and organized by bigger fish than you go after with cops, Pepe. Iran and Saudi funnel billions into those groups and soon they will be in charge of nukes from Pakistan and Iran again. That's work for armies and air forces, not Barney Fife and Andy Taylor.; 5/05/2007 2:22 PM
Mr roT said...: We ought to be.; 5/05/2007 3:02 PM
Mr roT said...: And democratizing Iraq would be the best way.; 5/05/2007 3:02 PM
Pepe le Pew said...: man, if this bloodbath is what you call democratization, i'm all for dictartorship.; 5/05/2007 4:04 PM
Mr roT said...: Some might not agree with you. Also, it might not have gone so badly without Chirac and others posturing about the legality and morality of knocking off Saddam.
The bloodbath there is being run by the islamists. Not us.; 5/05/2007 4:08 PM
Pepe le Pew said...: The bloodbath is the direct result of the invasion and specifically the inability of the wolfie-perle crowd to foresee the reawakening of the ancestral shiite-sunni tension combined with rummy's cakewalk fantasies.

If you are willing to take credit for any success that may have arisen from this invasion, you should also take responsibility for the human disaster it has caused. But with your logic, it's all win-win: if it's a success, it's thanks to us, if it's a disaster, it ain't our fault. Too easy.; 5/05/2007 4:29 PM
Tecumseh said...: JJ: 1) Chirac didn't just posture -- he sold arms galore to Iraq, including nuclear reactors. (Remember that pic of him & buddy Saddam at Osirak? A classic by which history will remember cher Jacques.)
2) Oh, man -- you're talking about "air forces", not just boots on the ground? Que pasa? On Cinquo de Mayo, you starting to have a Coanda epiphany?; 5/05/2007 4:32 PM
Arelcao Akleos said...: The D of PP said: "ai - this isn't logic."

True enough, a mountain of evidence that "PP thinks X" and no evidence whatsoever, ever, never, that "PP does not think X", is not "logic". It is an empirical observation, backed up by a Mountain of Evidence.
"Logic" comes in when you then lay out your premises and set out your deductions. Not that laid out premises, nor deductions correctly carried out, have, empirically, been salient traits of the D of PP's Planetude.; 5/05/2007 4:46 PM
Mr roT said...: I think the Sunni-Shia thing was a strategic ploy by al-Qaeda types. There was no simmering crap. Iraq is full of intermarriages and during the Iran-Iraq war, Iraqi Shias joyfully killed Iranian coreligionists.
The violence going on there is part of a clever scheme probably invented by Zarkawi (PBUH). Whether it works is unknown at present, but to blame it on the US is stupid. That's like saying the UK's bombing of Dresden was the US's fault because we should have just let the Europeans alone.; 5/05/2007 4:50 PM
Arelcao Akleos said...: "The bloodbath is the direct result of the invasion and specifically the inability of the wolfie-perle crowd to foresee the reawakening of the ancestral shiite-sunni tension combined with rummy's cakewalk fantasies"

For the first part, I've no idea if Wolfowitz did, did not, foresee quote "the reawakening of the ancestral shiite-sunni tension". After all, it's hard to "foresee" what is already a long standing fact. After all, what do you think has been such a "foreign policy" pillar of the US and Saudi "alliance" these last thirty years but Shiite Iran's Mullahcracy scaring the bemomo out of the Sunnis??
I hope the Big Bad Neocon actually foresaw some good, for we of the west who still care for a future beyond the dhimmi veil, in sparking an Islamic version of the 30 Years War. Maybe it will make IM something to detest, rather than love and admire, throughout the mainstream Ummah. [maybe, a hope not an expectancy for my part]
As for Rummy's cakewalking fantasies, I suppose you mean the aftermath of Saddams' overthrow, and not the actual military removal of the Baath regime. Or do you think it was a hard go of it??
In any case, the responsibility for not going in with the proper Shermanesque or Grantian attitude [or Roosevelt WWII, if you prefer] lies with the Bush administration, ultimately with Bush himself, and not Rummy. Rummy may have improperly proposed, but it was his boss who disposed. It will be very interesting, if bitterly so, to one day read about the actual thinking involved in that process, and what led Bush to decide to go all "Like Daddy" when he should have been more like Lincoln...; 5/05/2007 4:59 PM
Mr roT said...: Of course starting an internecine might be the best thing for us nonmuslims, but I think we would then have to accept blame for starting it.
I don't think that makes sense. Those bastards were ready to massacre each other from the start. If they are doing it now just to teach Uncle Sam a lesson, then Planet Pepe is crazy to jump into bed with them. PP should instead support the goals of democratization and resist religious totalitarianism, even if tied up at home.; 5/05/2007 5:24 PM
Tecumseh said...: PP should instead support the goals of democratization and resist religious totalitarianism.
Admirably said, JJ, but you know it, and I know it, and AA knows it, and even PP knows it, if he still can think on his feet. Nobody on the Left still gives a whit about democratization and the like -- they may talk some bs in la guele de bois they have perfected, but there is 0 substance to it, since, oh, the late 50s, early 60s, perhaps? As for "resisting religious totalitarianism" -- don't make me laugh. All they can do is set up strawmen --like Jerry Fallwell--and shoot darts at them. But actually resisting Mein-Kampfeneque head-hackers hell-bent on destroying us all? JJ, JJ, you can't be serious (said in a low, gravelly voice, with a heavy Moscow accent).; 5/06/2007 5:55 PM

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