Sunday, September 21, 2008
Mo' chil' fuckin'
Evangelicals doing what they do best. As some fcp-ers invariably point out though, they aren't quite as bad as AQ since they aren't driving airplanes into buildings.
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Pepe, now you've opened a can of worms. AI is still that Clinton and his lesbian AG Janet Reno (she looked about like Jean Reno) went after his brethren in Waco.
I'll stick to acronyms concerning medical problems for the forseeable future while AI seethes here.
"AI is still that Clinton..."? JJ, JJ, why should I seethe when your attack is lacking coherence? Try again, and then perhaps I'll bite.
Didn't you tell me one day that ai used to be koresh's boytoy or is it just a nasty unfounded rumor i am starting ?
Pepe, I think it's all you, but I am running with it. How about a new tag: A I Koresh.
I am sorry, AI, that my laser-like focus on the issue at hand provoked an AI-like focus on grammar. Pepe got my meaning though, so I am satisfied, and now we have the important and labor-intensive task to disseminate a vicious and apparently true piece of gossip, I can't be bothered to correct these proofs.
Did you notice the headline: "Six children in custody after evangelist's compound raided" ?
In Arkansas, they arrest the victims. Let's move there, jj.
I was mad at Janet Reno at the time for using the Army (with friggin' battle tanks!) to kill dozens of civilians -- for no reason at all. My beef with JJ at the time was over the blatant violation of the Posse Comitatus Act. But of course JJ was all agog over Janet and Bubba, and he rejoiced in the burning alive of 76 people, including 21 children and two pregnant women (along with Koresh). Whatever these people did wrong, they definitely didn't deserve to die like this. I'll let you guys gloat over that. All I can say is, requeiscat in pace.
pffft. Had it been a compound of gay hippies, you'd be popping Dom Perignon.
Bullshit. You simply don't use the Army to massacre citizens you don't like. Funny how pinkos have no compunction in using tanks to kill innocent women and children (in direct violation of the Posse Comitatus Act of 1878 -- not that they would know scat about that law), but then fight tooth and nail to keep bloody terrorists and unlawful combatants out of Gitmo, and treat acts of aggression and mass killings as a law enforcement problem, to be processed by ACLU rules in court.
This is precisely the legacy of the Clinton years: come down as a ton of bricks on some random bugger -- to the extent of massacring everyone around him, just for the sport of it -- but treat the AQ boys gingerly. Look where that got us, 7 years ago. But of course, that's precisely what Planet Pepe wanted, and has been ululating about ever since.
As I recall, AI, it was I that informed you of the Posse Commitatus Act. I learned about it watching Tank.
Just to regurge this, those people died (tragically, yes) because Koresh filled the 'church' with fuel, probably on purpose, and didn't come out when he was told to.
The tanks were there because he had made a fortress of his kid-fucking compound.
This was no-win, unless they had caught Koresh in town and gutted him alive out on main st.
The weaponry in the tank caused no one's death.
Bullshit. The tanks fired pyrotechnic tear gas -- that's incendiary gas, and that's what caused the fire that burned alive those dozens of people, JJ. I never understood how you could condone that action, JJ -- sorry, never will.
No way they intended to set off all the fuel, AI, and there's no such thing as pyrotechniic tear gas. That's a misnomer. Just means that the stuff is spread by a small detonation. Not knowing that Koresh had turned his sex camp into an ammunition dump and fuel depot, it had catastrophic consequences to use that dispersal mechanism. Still, that's not a weapon. You talk tanks, then you're talking artillery, and no one shot artillery rounds at these people.
Also, I am not condoning shit. This was an accident just like when there are collaterals anywhere. You play with fire, you get burned. Sorry. Fact of nature.
You are hopeless, JJ. You don't argue facts, you just repeat your preconceived ideas, without any attempt at reconsidering your misconceptions. This is sad.
At any rate, here is just one of dozens of articles that discuss the use of pyrotechnic gas at Waco:
"This is not an assault," said the voice of a government official at the scene as an M-60 tank tore off the wall of the Branch Davidians' home and shot tear gas in their faces. To protect the 25 children inside from child abuse, U.S. federal agents harassed the Davidians and their children at night with massive floodlights, blaring recordings of screaming, slaughtered rabbits, and loudspeakers blaring Nancy Sinatra singing "These Boots Are Made For Walking." Though allegations of child abuse were never proven, and the Davidians had fewer guns per capita than the average Texan, Janet Reno authorized the agents to saturate the house with CS gas, a gas that is banned by international law as chemical warfare and which medical literature warns may cause children inhaling it "fulminating chemical pneumonia and death." Before ordering the attack, Reno was informed that gas masks wouldn't fit the children.
So come CS gas is banned by international law, but you enthusiastically approve of its use against people in Texas?
I was frankly surprised to see that anyone would suggest that the Attorney General should resign because some religious fanatics murdered themselves," President Clinton said at the time. "There is unfortunately a rise in this sort of fanaticism all over the world," he continued. "And we may have to confront it again."
Yes, the Party Line.
Incinerated in the April 19, 1993, massacre were not just what Clinton referred to as a bunch of religious fanatics and gun nuts, but a little 6-year-old girl, Serendipity Sea Jones, and Wayne Martin, a black Harvard Law School graduate, the daughter of a police officer in Hawaii, the son of a New York fireman, an Israeli named Pablo Cohen, and the eight-month-pregnant Aisha Summers, age 17, and her 1 year old daughter, Startle.
Serves them right, yes, JJ? Especially if they were from Harvard.
I thought we were talking about pyrotechnic tear gas dispensing.
Bullshit. You simply don't use the Army to massacre citizens you don't like.
What else is an army good for ? Are you going softie on me ? Next thing you're going to argue against the shooting of those ruby ridge extremists.
Pepe, be fair. Waco was an accident no matter what AI says. If the mils had wanted to kill 'em all they would have sent some AP shells in the house, not tear gas. Jeez. Ruby Ridge similarly though. Hey, federales come to your house and tell you to come out, you come out. It's the law.
I couldn't agree more. And if you wanted to preemptively bomb these militias, I'd reconsider my stand on the bush doctrine.
In what sense, "Bush Doctrine"...? Heh, still, the mils' job is to protect us and kill foreigners. There's one asymmetry that no moral relativism can wash off.
In what sense, "Bush Doctrine"...?
ask palin
Exactly.
What's worse: an Arkansas Evangelical, or an Arkansas trooper?
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