Tuesday, April 03, 2007

Steyn on Baudrillard

Pepe, you had a point, after all.
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4 comments:

Tecumseh said...

The one shameful moment when the first President Bush forgot he was fighting a CNN war and confused it with a real one was when he called on Saddam’s people to rise up against the tyrant. They did so, only to find that Bush had gone back to play-warmongering on CNN and wasn’t there for them. They were slaughtered en masse by the supposedly vanquished dictator.

Ouchhh! But, isn't that the kind of thing Gallic poseurs delight in? Methinks George Bush Père was simply acting French (well, to a point; a real Frenchman would have gone grovelling to Saddam, and asked politely to kiss his butt; at least, Bush Père let Norman bomb the shit out of Saddam's RGs for a few days, which is still epsilon >0).

4/03/2007 1:56 PM
Mr roT said...

It's all of a piece with Scowcroft going and sipping Chablis with the butchers of Tiananmen. Let's give Pepe his due, though. All the propaganda has to add up to something real or AQ will see the papertigerness of the US as much as Baudrillards will deny the 'reality' of it all.

4/03/2007 2:08 PM
Arelcao Akleos said...

JJ said: "Let's give Pepe his due, though. All the propaganda has to add up to something real or AQ will see the papertigerness of the US as much as Baudrillards will deny the 'reality' of it all."

That was Pepe's point???? Made where???? Frustration with the Papertigerness of the Bush adminstration(s) has been made apparent by both AI and I, as well as possibly JJ [although that may have been my wildly optimistic reading of certain past posts. So I take back the "possibly" to be replaced by a "not impossibly" ]. From what I've seen of the D of PP on FCP he his frustrated with papertigerness only because he would have our governments' wobbliness exalted into an open virtue.
That is, we both may see that "the propaganda has to add up to something real or AQ will see the papertigerness of the US". But whereas I, and AI, am vehemently for honestly adding it all up, and quickly, to something very real, the D of PP has ever been for changing the propaganda to the honesty of a Petain bloke's appeasement.
We both want honesty, I believe.
Where we agree, I think, is that the Bush administration(s) have been substantially dishonest and seemingly too often satisfied by, if not aiming for, the "simulacrum" of victory [kidding none of our enemies, and only temporarily some of our friends].
Where we disagree? Pepe Planet wants a world of many honest submissions, making an honest defeat even unnecessary. AI and I, methinks, want a world wherein we use our material advantage to crush our mortal enemies and make them fess up to an honest defeat.
And here on FCP planet and world collide.

4/03/2007 5:53 PM
Arelcao Akleos said...

By the way, I think this piece of Steyn's is the cleareast & most cogent op ed on Baurdrillard's book I've ever read.

4/03/2007 5:53 PM

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