Amnesty International ... absurdly claims Mexico should have done more to protect the illegals — we suppose by providing armed escorts across the Texas border. Indeed, Mexico's now in roughly the same spot as Arizona. Illegal immigration, after all, is illegal in Mexico, too. Even as Mexico encourages its own citizens to head north because of the remittances they send home, it discourages other nations' citizens from doing the same, apprehending 43,000 illegals last year alone. This massacre should make Mexico rethink its claim that Arizona is somehow an enemy, or that legalizing drugs will stop horrors like this.
You'd think so? Naah, says Rot. It's much more important to blame the "Honeckerian" Arizonans.
Update: A car bomb at the massacre site. Undoubtedly, it's all the fault of Jan Brewer and Sheriff Arpaio.
Friday, August 27, 2010
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Awful story but the editorial is completely illogical.
No one is opposed to fighting the cartels but the writer claims that fighting the cartels is the same as clamping down on illegal immigration.
Of course that's bullshit. Cartels are also involved in beer consumption. Should we have prohibition?
I caught that the 72 were Guats and other stuff from under. So what? They vote for Calderon?
As to regurgitation, you have dropped the cartel which features in the story decisively.
Wait, perhaps you're admitting that the cartels are not an immigration issue and you're agreeing with my regurgitated assessment.
Anyway, there's nothing to debate. The Az legislature took out the language that was offensive. Let the cops go crazy on the illegals.
In fact, give some money to the cartels so stories of the 72 make it back loud and clear to hopefuls.
Cartels are an illegal immigration issue because they have carved out a significant role in managing and encouraging illegal immigration into the States from the southern border. It provides cover, and a ready made structure, for the flow of their contraband and operatives into the US. This "business model" then gives them leading control of moneys to be made from illegal immigration and from the drug [or other] trade..... . So the political corruption arising from the first is also wedded to the criminal corruption of the second--both in Mexico and in this country.
These cartels have done so both for illegal immigration of Mexicans into the US and for illegal immigrants from other nations passing through Mexico into the US.
Calderon is openly giddy with all that illegal immigration of Mexicans into the US. The more they come the merrier he is. He is not happy about illegal immigration into Mexico intended to stay in Mexico. Hitherto, though, he has been indifferent to illegal immigration intended to pass through Mexico into the US. The consequences of this massacre, since it makes Mexico's position with other Latin American countries more troublesome, no longer allow him show this indifference. At least for now.
The writer claims that fighting the cartels has become an intrinsic component of clamping down on illegal immigration from Mexico. Just as it is in clamping down on the criminality flowing from the activities of the Cartels. Rott shamelessly misreads or mischaracterizes the editorial as claiming the writer is saying they are "the same". [Poor Miss Logik, ever defiled by those muckthirsty Wieneren]. But that's just his way of putting the Cartel before the horsepuke.
Calderon and the rest of la barca have reason enough to go after the cartels without their role as migrant-smugglers.
Duh.
Their role as migrant smuggler is one reason why Calderon has less incentive to go after them. This sort of stuff forces his hand a little.
They smuggle drugs and arms too, and have been for a long time. They for the whole time have been the targets of law enforcement on both sides of the border for that.
That they knock off a gross of Hondurans is a lot less important to governments of the US and Mexico than their assembling an army of their own and are running a 10 billion dollar year illegal business.
Calderon has actually done extraordinarily little to stymy the Zetas. Particularly given they have assembled an army, almost a nation, of their own. Their being highly involved in illegal immigration was no reason for him, loving the outward flow of Mexicans to the north like he does, to move against them. But Mexico's relations with the countries in Central America suck enough as it is, and he cannot at least pretend to care a little about what happened to those poor bastards.
That said, the editorial was about how THE USA should recognize that the cartels are a huge, and intrinsic, part of the problem in illegal immigration and the smuggling of contraband. How we should recognize that illegal immigratin is not now just a political and social problem but also now one wedded to huge, and bloodily dangerous, organized crime. The USA.
Calderon's calculations and sordid ambitions ain't the point. Our government is the point. But then you missed the point, as you did with the editorial in general.
AA, trying to explain things in terms of Cartesian logic to Herr Rot (especially regarding this issue) is like pissing up a rope. That said, you make a valiant effort.
I, for one, appreciate it.
Big deal, Tecs; you appreciate Hayworth.
My point, I think, I can make simple enough for you two, though I doubt that the editorialist is capable of following.
The cartels are and have been for years in much more important business that killing off Hondurans.
Not even the Honduran government gives a shit about them.
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