Monday, April 07, 2008

The Heston legacy

I know we're supposed to understand the second amendment omelette isn't made without a few eggs.
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Tecumseh said...

What does the Second Amendment have to do with idiots giving guns to toddlers? They may as well give them knives, machetes, or ice picks (not covered by the 2nd). Cosmic idiocy has no bounds, and cannot be legislated out of existence.

4/07/2008 11:15 AM
Pepe le Pew said...

Well, no access to guns, no guns to toddlers.

4/07/2008 1:30 PM
My Frontier Thesis said...

Pepe, it's a bit inconsistent to hear you on the one hand understandably despise Aristocracies and Nobles and, on the other, condone the tool that brought them to their egalitarian senses.

4/07/2008 2:04 PM
Pepe le Pew said...

you mean condemn the tools ?
this is the first interesting pro-gun argument i've ever heard. I need to scratch.

4/07/2008 6:27 PM
My Frontier Thesis said...

Excuse me, and thanks for the correction: this is the type of thinking that happens in the morning before coffee. My apologies for any confusion. You still scratching your brain?

4/07/2008 7:20 PM
Shyster said...

I grew up with guns, and although I think that armor piercing bullets and such are unnecessary, I don't think we need to ban guns to be safe. We need to ban idiocy (if only). I was taught gun safety at an early age. I think it's stupid assholes that treat them like toys and have never actually shot anything with them that cause the problems.

4/07/2008 11:32 PM
Pepe le Pew said...

well, there is also the guy that breaks into your house and steals your gun that is a problem.

and it isn't just armor piercing bullets: I am able to buy hollow points for my 45s, clearly something I don't need.

but more fundamentally, I can't think of many realistic scenarios when these stupid things would actually protect me as I am unlikely to be the first with the finger on the trigger. There is the case when the bad guy is coming up the stairs at home making enough noise that it wakes me up and slowly enough that I have the time to open the combination case in which I have to put the stupid thing to prevent my kids from ending up like the toddler.

At work it's even worse: if someone comes in with a gun, I sure as hell am not going to dive for mine. If they aren't threatening me with one, I am not going to pull it either. Maybe if someone walks in very drunk with a knife...

In short, the stupid things only give the illusion of safety and it is mostly when they are in the wrong hands that they can be used for what they are intended to do.

mft - the aristos and the nobles are long gone & they ain't comin' back. We don't need guns no mo'.

4/08/2008 2:53 AM
Pepe le Pew said...

mft - i do like the idea of taking the arms to overthrow dubbyah, but i am not sure about the timing. It is 7 1/2 years too late and now that we're here, it seems that patience will do just as well.

4/08/2008 8:44 AM
My Frontier Thesis said...

Pepe, do you think historical events are automatically on a trajectory to keep getting better? (also a teleological view of history)

Most the time I think of history as one continuous tragedy no matter what we do. But in fairness, the human story has been an interesting tragedy.

And why aren't you purchasing hydra-shock ammo for your .45? Hollow points do more damage, yes, but they also stay in the target due to the way they expand. This is different from, say, a 9mm which leaves the barrel at a much higher rate of speed, and is a smaller bullet. Thus, there's a greater chance that it'll go in, and then out, of whatever is hit, and likely continue on. I believe this is one of the reasons anti-terrorist/hi-jacking SWAT teams use .40 or .45. But I haven't kept up on stuff like that for some time.

4/08/2008 12:37 PM
Pepe le Pew said...

I heard hydra-shocks are bad for the gun. Frankly, anything coming out of a 45 is going to do major damage.

4/08/2008 8:24 PM
My Frontier Thesis said...

Bad for the gun, worse for the recipient.

Why do you lock your gun up? I use mine as a pointer around the house. "Hey, could you pass the ketchup?" You never have to ask twice.

4/08/2008 9:06 PM
Pepe le Pew said...

Yeah well in my family if I did that, I'd end up having to shoot. Or they'd do me. So I lock up.

4/09/2008 4:53 PM
Arelcao Akleos said...

Pepe can no more despise aristocracies and nobles than Rosie O'Donnell could despise the womenfolk of Lesbos. Despite all his jabbering, the fox really really wanted those grapes.

4/10/2008 11:35 PM
Pepe le Pew said...

Despite all his jabbering, the fox really really wanted those grapes.
Just because I have one doesn't mean I think I should have the right to own one. There is no inconsistency there.

4/11/2008 5:23 PM
Arelcao Akleos said...

There sure is. If you don't think you should own one, you'd get rid of it. If you were consistent

4/11/2008 6:30 PM
Arelcao Akleos said...

Or are you saying that you need the world to save you from yourself?

4/11/2008 6:30 PM
Pepe le Pew said...

There sure is. If you don't think you should own one, you'd get rid of it. If you were consistent
Why is that: one doesn't have to agree with the law to take advantage of it.

4/12/2008 6:31 PM
Pepe le Pew said...

Lemme give you a fer instance as we say here:
I may think I pay too little taxes for what I understand to be the common good (this is a hypothetical). However, my being the only person paying more taxes would only contribute to making me poorer and not solve the problem that I think would be addressed by raising the taxes. Hence I may logically believe I pay too little taxes and not want my taxes to be raised if I am the only one being hit.

4/12/2008 6:39 PM

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