freecounterpoint: Sarko's ugly RWN tendancies slammed

Tuesday, May 05, 2009

Sarko's ugly RWN tendancies slammed

11 comments:

Mr roT said...: "toute personne qui aura, par aide directe ou indirecte, facilité ou tenté de faciliter l'entrée, la circulation ou le séjour irréguliers, d'un étranger en France sera punie d'un emprisonnement de cinq ans et d'une amende de 30 000 euros".

You object to this? Why?; 5/05/2009 4:18 PM
Tecumseh said...: Tendencies. It's a Pepe thing.; 5/05/2009 4:23 PM
Pepe le Pew said...: I don't object to the entry bit. But as far as circulation or stay, let me count the ways:
putting on citizens the responsibility of making sure the person they are giving hospitality to is legally in the country, turns every citizen into a de facto migra cop. It creates an obnoxious atmosphere of suspicion similar to mao's china where each citizen's duty is to make sure everybody else is behaving in agreement to the Party's diktat.

It is reminiscent of Berkeley where billboards invite people to report cars that create too much pollution. I dislike smog as much as the next guy, but it is going to take a serious crime for me to turn someone in to the authorities - what next ? Report your neighbor who is littering ? Do we want to be like Switzerland where good law abiding citizen-gerbils are used to calling the police to come and ticket cars whose meters have expired ?; 5/05/2009 4:51 PM
Mr roT said...: Oh, I missed the part about requiring people to rat. That sucks.; 5/05/2009 5:22 PM
Pepe le Pew said...: there is no obligation to rat - just to not assist. The problem is that, if you are liable you cannot claim ignorance, and so it puts the burden of verifying legality on the citizenry. ratting is the next step.; 5/05/2009 5:27 PM
Mr roT said...: Sounds difficult to enforce then.; 5/05/2009 5:36 PM
Pepe le Pew said...: maybe. but i don't like what it says about who we are, independently from the practical issues of establishing guilt.; 5/05/2009 6:00 PM
Mr roT said...: That thing you pinkos say is too vague and malleable to me.

What it says about who we are... Oh bullshit. Who is anyone trying to impress? A society or culture exists and survives by its habits. Some are sweet and giving extrapolations to the outside world of its decency to its own members, and some is viciousness usually reserved for outsiders, sometimes turned against itself.

The point (to me) is not whether anything is nice but whether it works.

The Skandinavians were bastards but they fell apart immediately. The Greeks were wonderful bastards and civilizers but fell apart quick too.

The Romans were less culturally rich than the Greeks but they didn't have the rot inside them the Greeks did until later (when they learned from the Greeks to navel-gaze and take it up the arse).

Go on through history and you can draw your lines connecting nice and naughty and survivors and doomed and what you get is a few surprises but a lot of non-surprises.

What flies is per unitatem vis and a lot of that unity is against outsiders. That's the way I see it.

Yeah, New York with its acceptance of everyone is great. No better place in the world to get chicks or food or an opera...

But without a vast closed-minded hinterland support it, sending coulombs and beef, it would fall apart immediately.

France and the rest of Europe with dwindling native birthrates should exclude foreigners as viciously as need be or else be transformed in something much worse than the 'not nice' stuff you worry about.; 5/05/2009 6:10 PM
Tecumseh said...: Bohriing.; 5/05/2009 9:08 PM
Pepe le Pew said...: we're not having a 4th of july, ain't-america-great party - tec's got nothing to say.; 5/05/2009 9:20 PM
Tecumseh said...: Wtf are you talking about, Pepe? You're even less coherent than usual, which is saying something.; 5/05/2009 9:59 PM

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