Saturday, June 02, 2007

Waking up

"When I went into a coma there was only tea and vinegar in the shops, meat was rationed and huge petrol queues were everywhere. Now I see people on the streets with cell phones and there are so many goods in the shops it makes my head spin."
Welcome back from Planet Pepe. Though watch out for those devilish cell phones: they fry your brains.
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Arelcao Akleos said...

It is great to hear of someone rise from "the dead" like this. Yes, what a difference the fall of communism has made, and how bitterly Planet Pepe rues the loss of all that vineqary queuing

6/02/2007 6:13 PM
Tecumseh said...

Aaah, Martial Law, Jaruzelski, cracking down on Solidarity, the works -- those were the days, that the Rives Gauchards so fondly remember.

6/02/2007 6:45 PM
Pepe le Pew said...

actually the rive gauchards always supported walesa while the cheney crowd, at just about the same time, was supporting appartheid.

6/02/2007 9:49 PM
Pepe le Pew said...

Cheney notoriously voted against a congressional resolution to free Nelson Mandela from prison.

As far as walesa goes, while the french communist party with its stalinist roots certainly supported jaruselski they were isolated in that, and that stance greatly contributed to its decline. the rest of the left (and particularly the "gauche caviar") was suportive of solidarnosc. This might clash with your simplistic vision of a "french left" but particularly at that time, there were many ideological currents within it. Walesa was pretty much considered a hero across the board, save for the
commies.

6/03/2007 9:16 AM
Arelcao Akleos said...

the communist party and the trotskyites were the heart of the left then. As for "left bank" poseurs note that such rive gauchistes as Sartre were proud to condemn Walesa, particularly after it became clear he was aiming at overthrow of the marxist system, eas workin closely with John Paul II, and had no ibterest whatsoever in "communism with a human face", squaring the circle, or any other idiot dreams.
So your argument is that some leftists, on the Menshevik variety, agreed with Yanks in supporting Walesa? Whoop de doo. There numbers were so many that the famous pro-democracy riots of Paris still resonate, eh?? What, 100 made it out there? Red Danny would be very impressed.
As for your "the rive gauchards always supported walesa", a pathetic lie

6/03/2007 12:23 PM
Arelcao Akleos said...

So your argument is that Cheney, by voting against an American resolution to tell SA to free Nelson, was actually voting in favor of Apartheid?
So you are saying that by France voting against a Resolution to liberate Iraq of Saddam's rule was actually voting for the massacre of Kurds and Shia??
Okey doke, it is settled. Cheney was for Apartheid and Chirac was for killing Kurds

6/03/2007 12:29 PM
Pepe le Pew said...

So your argument is that Cheney, by voting against an American resolution to tell SA to free Nelson, was actually voting in favor of Apartheid?

or didn't mind it much, yes.

So you are saying that by France voting against a Resolution to liberate Iraq of Saddam's rule was actually voting for the massacre of Kurds and Shia??

France was skeptical of the wmd reasoning behind the war and the doubts it expressed proved correct.
Besdies, the massacre of Shias was facilitated by no other than your sorry lot who invited them to rebel before abandoning them to their fate.

6/03/2007 12:57 PM
Pepe le Pew said...

if you recall, prior to the war, all you heard was that saddam's rockets would hit london in 14 minutes, and armaggedonesque speeches about the plethora of iraqi weaponry being deployed which varied from nukular to chemical, to biological, depending on the phase of the moon at the time of the speech.

interest in democracy in iraq really came about in the administration's political discourse when it became blatant that this was all hype and the neocons had to reinvent a noble cause for extending their "wot" to the gulf.

The fact that the majority of the nations in the planet refused to take part in the amusingly-named "coalition" reflects more an inability on the part of the US to convince anyone of the reality of the threat rather than lack of interest in democracy.

6/03/2007 1:17 PM
Pepe le Pew said...

the communist party and the trotskyites were the heart of the left then.
no - you are about 30 years behind. the trotskystes were never big. the "traditional" stalino-commies a la Georges Marchais were around 18% until the early to mid 80s but the socialists have always been a much greater force: Mitterand got elected in 81, not Marchais! Just after WWII, the commies enjoyed great support as they were the backbone of the resistance, but a large portion of the french communist intelligentsia, including Sartre and Gide split from the USSR starting in the 60s & 70s, thanks in large part to Solyenitsine. By the time that Walesa started revolting, the french commies had lost the best among their thinkers and had become mostly a party that catered to the frustrated (as opposed to the politically active) in french society. The proof ? They proceeded to lose most of their electorate to none else than Le Pen whose populist speech was remarkably similar in form.

6/03/2007 9:30 PM

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