Tec, you can't possibly believe that whatever healthcare system there is here is any good for anyone. Our premiums went up 29% this year while benefits dropped. With the economy in shambles there is no way to pass that cost increase on to customers. The result is my part-timers lost their healthcare for 2009 and my new full-time recruit isn't getting any at all. This is the first year I do this and I never thought I would. I don't think I am alone in this either.
How this is good I don't know but with a system where everybody pitches in, the people around me would have coverage. As far as I'm concerned, that's the bottom line. I don't give a shit about left or right or whatever - I do give a shit about whether people are covered and the fact that they aren't is a phenomenal failure of the existing status quo.
Coverage for what? So you can wait 10 years in line to get a tooth extraction -- till you give up, and just pull the damn tooth with a pair of pliers? That's socialized medicine for you, Pepe. Enjoy.
i think you'd be crying if you didn't have a cushy academic coverage. this allows you to be all ideology and to ignore what is really going on in the real world - hence your stance that everything is a-ok. i see nothing, i hear nothing.
Pepe sees nothing and hears nothing alright. He doesn't see all those Canadians who pour across the border to get some of that "awful" Yankee medicine and to escape that "awesome" Socialist deathtrap Pepe's ilk have conjured up in their Ingsocy way. Nor does he hear the rage at the bureaucratic blindness of such a system. The closest we have to such systems in this country are the VA and the City Hospital/Medicare programs in places like Chicago or New York. The are very close to Socialized medicine, and they are absolutely the worst we have. Yet they are better than the Canadian or British or other more fully Sockyass systems....which is pathetic and terrible. There are great strains on our healthcare, a huge amount from illegal immigration and its impact on the hospital/emergency systems, but to make it more socialistic is to "cure" a damaged immune system by injecting the patient full of HIV.
Ok i'll bite and assume that this one time, your purpose isn't to say white because I said black.
He doesn't see all those Canadians
There is great healthcare here for those who can afford it, possibly the best in the world. I personally have an awesome plan but it runs me about $15K/ year. That isn't what my argument is about.
Nor does he hear the rage at the bureaucratic blindness of such a system There is the same bureaucratic idiocy here. Try to talk to a pencil-pushing insurance rep about treatment. the weight of the bureaucracy in the US is the main reason for the high costs.
In any case, a system as bad as the British is still better than no coverage at all. And the British system isn't the only model of socialized medicine. Try France, Scandinavia, even Cuba!
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Tec, you can't possibly believe that whatever healthcare system there is here is any good for anyone. Our premiums went up 29% this year while benefits dropped. With the economy in shambles there is no way to pass that cost increase on to customers. The result is my part-timers lost their healthcare for 2009 and my new full-time recruit isn't getting any at all. This is the first year I do this and I never thought I would. I don't think I am alone in this either.
How this is good I don't know but with a system where everybody pitches in, the people around me would have coverage. As far as I'm concerned, that's the bottom line. I don't give a shit about left or right or whatever - I do give a shit about whether people are covered and the fact that they aren't is a phenomenal failure of the existing status quo.
Coverage for what? So you can wait 10 years in line to get a tooth extraction -- till you give up, and just pull the damn tooth with a pair of pliers? That's socialized medicine for you, Pepe. Enjoy.
i think you'd be crying if you didn't have a cushy academic coverage. this allows you to be all ideology and to ignore what is really going on in the real world - hence your stance that everything is a-ok. i see nothing, i hear nothing.
Pepe sees nothing and hears nothing alright. He doesn't see all those Canadians who pour across the border to get some of that "awful" Yankee medicine and to escape that "awesome" Socialist deathtrap Pepe's ilk have conjured up in their Ingsocy way. Nor does he hear the rage at the bureaucratic blindness of such a system. The closest we have to such systems in this country are the VA and the City Hospital/Medicare programs in places like Chicago or New York. The are very close to Socialized medicine, and they are absolutely the worst we have. Yet they are better than the Canadian or British or other more fully Sockyass systems....which is pathetic and terrible.
There are great strains on our healthcare, a huge amount from illegal immigration and its impact on the hospital/emergency systems, but to make it more socialistic is to "cure" a damaged immune system by injecting the patient full of HIV.
Ok i'll bite and assume that this one time, your purpose isn't to say white because I said black.
He doesn't see all those Canadians
There is great healthcare here for those who can afford it, possibly the best in the world. I personally have an awesome plan but it runs me about $15K/ year. That isn't what my argument is about.
Nor does he hear the rage at the bureaucratic blindness of such a system
There is the same bureaucratic idiocy here. Try to talk to a pencil-pushing insurance rep about treatment. the weight of the bureaucracy in the US is the main reason for the high costs.
In any case, a system as bad as the British is still better than no coverage at all. And the British system isn't the only model of socialized medicine. Try France, Scandinavia, even Cuba!
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