freecounterpoint: Curved sea

Saturday, November 11, 2006

Curved sea

17 comments:

Mr roT said...: Back in Ancona?; 11/11/2006 1:31 PM
Tecumseh said...: Where is Ancona?; 11/12/2006 1:59 AM
Mr roT said...: Adriatic coast up about 2/3 about. You back in Trieste? How's the dialect compared to Romanian?; 11/12/2006 2:09 AM
Tecumseh said...: All Italian sounds the same to me. Are there dialects?; 11/12/2006 2:41 AM
Mr roT said...: In Triests it's so different from the peninsular stuff that it's considered incomprehensible. I've never heard it though C has tried making sense of what Dop says when he talks to his mom. To no avail. I think it has smatterings of Slavic and German words.

Incidentally, I called a guy an idiot in a bar a couple nights ago for his saying Romanian and Italian are 'close enough'.

What do you think? I have trouble (a lot) understanding even written Romanian. When they start all that infernal pseudoPortuguese mumbling,...; 11/12/2006 2:58 AM
Mr roT said...: Dialect according to Coanda. At botto there's a table. Triestine is very different, AI. You should hear that. Even 'pane' is shortened to 'pan'. Or are you now gluten free since you've become a Prodiano?; 11/12/2006 3:08 AM
Tecumseh said...: Did that guy punch you in the nose, JJ? Of course Italian and Romanian are close -- they both derive from a common root (Latin). Not quite sure how to measure distance between various Romance languages, but I suspect the two are much closer than French is to Italian.; 11/12/2006 4:14 AM
Tecumseh said...: Look here.; 11/12/2006 4:17 AM
Tecumseh said...: For example, take the word "white" and tell me which language has the closest approximation to the original Latin.; 11/12/2006 4:22 AM
Mr roT said...: No. He should've though. Big Srb guy with his gf. But you're missing the point. Close enough means you can talk to each other. I sure can't read that stuff of yours and hearing it strikes very rarely. You stick articles at the ends of words, fer cryin' out loud! And stick diacritical marks where God hath not intended!
What are you, Danes?
What does Latin have to do with this question? Also, Italian and French have near identical vocabularies and grammar. Romanian is full of Slavic words (why you should maybe understand Triestin better) and has retained Latin grammar (some of it).; 11/12/2006 5:06 AM
Mr roT said...: You're right, AI. Not.; 11/12/2006 5:12 AM
Tecumseh said...: Hey, hey, hey, now you're talking about a real dialect: Moldavian. Of course, being on the borderlands with the Russians and Ukrainians, there is much more of a Slavic influence there. Surely much more than the Slovenian/Croatian/Austrian influence on the Triestin Italian. So what?

I also take note that you tacitly agreed with me that alb is closest to original albus among all Romance languages -- much closer than blanc, yes?; 11/12/2006 5:59 AM
Tecumseh said...: By the way, there is another, rather far out Romanian dialect, spoken in Istria -- at a stone's throw from Trieste. Maybe that's where they Triestins got some of their dialect from?; 11/12/2006 6:03 AM
Tecumseh said...: Istro-Romanian:
Some linguists believe that the Istro-Romanians migrated to their present region about 1000 years ago from Transylvania.; 11/12/2006 6:06 AM
My Frontier Thesis said...: You there guys sound like a bunch-a ferigners, with all your crazy mumbo-jumbo. Speeeek America, damnit!

(I tried to type while thinking of a deep southern drawl, but I don't think it came through all that well); 11/12/2006 11:10 AM
Arelcao Akleos said...: AI: "For example, take the word "white" and tell me which language has the closest approximation to the original Latin."

Latin is Albus, which I believe is taken to have been pronounced as "Alboos". Portuguese has Alvo [pronounced "Alvoo} , and Romanian has Alb, which I take is pronounced as it is spelt.
So, phonetically, I would think Portuguese is the closer one.
OK, JJ and AI, feel free to turn your wrathful eye on me now.; 11/12/2006 2:37 PM
Mr roT said...: The Coandapedia article on Romanian is very interesting. Their saying that the lexical similarity between It and ROm is 77% which jibes with what the idiot was saying. Still, though not many iItalians would have trouble with the simple grammar and closeby words in

Ea închide întotdeauna fereastra înainte de a cina.

(întotdeauna is just too damn weird, AI. You get that from Klingon?)

that's a lame example.; 11/12/2006 6:11 PM

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