freecounterpoint: Divine justice ?

Saturday, October 11, 2008

Divine justice ?

6 comments:

Arelcao Akleos said...: "Because, after all, If a God Exists, He Would Be Versaillean. Not That a God Exists. Just Sayin'"

Theology on Planet Pepe; 10/11/2008 7:58 PM
Pepe le Pew said...: Is it versaillian to relish the news of neonazis disappearing or are you still working on creating the Perfect Nonsequitur ?; 10/11/2008 10:04 PM
Arelcao Akleos said...: So Haider was a neoNazi? Ah, the logic of Planet Pepe is a wonder. "Haider is Austrian. Hitler was Austrian. Haider's name has an H, an I, an E, an R, and--sacre bleu-- so did Hitler's!. Haider was loathed by Le Pew, and so was Hitler! Ergo..."
That's quite a trifecta of evidence you've got there, Pepe.
The problem with your "thesis" is that Haider was not leading any form of National Socialist movement, whether the "classical" on or a new variant. [He was, however, vehemently anti-immigrant. That's devil work, fo sho].
Haider was as much a neoNazi as Obama is a neoCommunist.
Now, which end of that snake you gonna chomp on?; 10/11/2008 11:18 PM
Pepe le Pew said...: Neonazi, nazi apologist, you're right shithead is more technically correct.; 10/12/2008 5:06 PM
Arelcao Akleos said...: Hmmm, let's list the four things Mr. Glass lays out as making him a "Nazi Sympathizer", and see what you agree with him on and what I agree with him on. I set out the claim as to what Haider espoused [with Glass' parenthetical comments in brackets]

"In this election he ran a campaign of
[1] stopping immigration
[in a country that has virtually no immigration].
[2] He says he stands for a crackdown on crime
[in a country that has just about the lowest crime rate in the world].

It's against this background that a few of his comments have been taken as proof that he's an admirer of the Nazis. Two have been the most damaging.

[3] He described the National Socialists' employment policies as sound
[4] And he used the word penal camp to describe a concentration camp. "

First, you clearly are for Islamic immigration, which is the immigration Haider had in mind, so you would be against him here. I would agree with Haider on this, and point out that Glass is wrong--or lying-- about immigration of Muslims into Austria. Actually, that nation has had the largest influx of extra-european immigrants in its history in the last two decades, the majority being from Islamic nations. Go to Vienna, and see for yourself. It may be a relatively low level compared to the rapidly Islamicizing French, or English, or Norwegians, or Dutch, but just because a cancer is more swiftly killing patient Y is no comfort to patient X confronting that nice lumpy tumour that has suddenly made itself manifest. Glass is full of hogwash here.
So, right now, I lead H to zero on the Haider Scale.

[2] The second point I don't know enough about the crime rates in Austria to assess objectively one way or the other. I would point out that nations which have historically low levels of crime are more sensitive to small increases when they appear--simply because this new crime stands out more starkly in proportion to the very low prior level. A robbery in Three Forks MT is shocking, while barely worth being reported in Chicago.
However, I assume that neither of us are for crime, nor consider it a mark of Evil to prevent crimes against citizens. [If you are for crime, or for a government that wills to not protect its citizens from crime, by all means say so]. This is a wash. Either you're now H and I am Ha, or it is still zero to H, you choose.

[3] This one is you all the way. The National Socialist employment policy sucked ass. It was socialist in all its ugliness. If Haider admired it, then crap on him. The problem for Le Pew is that he has spent the better part of the the day's posts/comments barking as to the wonders of Socialism and its Pepean thrilling "economics". He ain't gonna have a quarrel with the Nazis in this regard. Hitler had no tolerance for stinking capitalists, with their overbearing cadres of "Neocons", their greedy self interest, their markets, their natter on private property and all that other suspiciously uncollective thinkery. Hitler was, economically, a most admirable Pepean. Score, Ha for Pepe, Ha for me [or H, H]

[4] Uh, I don't know what his point is here. The Nazis tended to call these Work Camps, whether they actually were, or were a full blown Death Camp. But "Concentration Camp", which term came from the camps the Brits set up in South Africa in the Boer War, is milder than "penal camp". The first being an emphasis on holding in numbers, and the second an emphasis on punishment inflicted on people. Neither does justice to the reality of DeathCamps. So if Glass likes "internment" then he has no leg to stand on for complaining about "penal".
Note that in reference to another system of camps, varied in nature from "labor" to "Death", that of Stalin's Gulag, no one gets fussed if they are called "penal" or "concentration" or "internment".
Mr. Glass is being silly here.

So, Le Pew, we have a tie here. You'd be mighty copascetic with Haider's Socialist bent. I'd be in agreement with his smelling out the danger of Islamic immigration.
You loathe him for his anti-immigration stance. And I despise his Socialism.
In neither case do we, or Mr. Glass, have a basis--othe than whim and enjoying a rhetorical flourish-- in proclaiming Haider a new [or old] form of Nazi.
Or, to remind you, no more a basis than we have for proclaiming Obama a new [or old] form of Communist.
Go on, chomp on that snake again.; 10/12/2008 10:10 PM
Arelcao Akleos said...: Where I wrote:
"So if Glass likes "internment"
it was meant to say "concentration"....Of course, the same point would apply to "internment"; 10/12/2008 10:17 PM

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