freecounterpoint: Day at the office on Planet Pepe

Wednesday, June 06, 2012

Day at the office on Planet Pepe

34 comments:

Charly said...: Great minds meet.; 6/06/2012 4:35 PM
Tecumseh said...: Right, Charly, you got it. The Baptist Jirga routinely chops off the heads of those miscreants who dare to dance or clap their hands at a wedding.; 6/06/2012 5:25 PM
Charly said...: Of course they don't. This is a meeting of the minds, not of the arms, and it will remain so as along as the wackos are kept far from power.; 6/07/2012 2:33 AM
Tecumseh said...: Standard lefty boogaboo: the biggest threat to humanity is posed by the Amish and the Baptists. Tells you everything you need to know about how acute are the analytical powers of the Left.; 6/07/2012 3:14 AM
Charly said...: the biggest threat to humanity is posed by religious people in power with little oversight and the flavor doesn't matter much. You want examples ?; 6/07/2012 5:07 AM
Tecumseh said...: Hmmm... Moral equivalence, anyone?; 6/07/2012 9:50 AM
Tecumseh said...: Same old, same old. It happens all the time among crazed mobs of Baptists. Says Pepe.; 6/07/2012 4:14 PM
Charly said...: They're behaving like clergymen it seems. Secual assault, impunity... Ok that's not quite right. Replace "women" with "children" and you have your run of the mill diocese, complete with papal absolution.; 6/07/2012 5:02 PM
Arelcao Akleos said...: "the biggest threat to humanity is posed by religious people in power with little oversight and the flavor doesn't matter much. You want examples ?"

Sure, how 'bout just these few secular examples from the past 120 years? There are tons more where these came from

King Leopold, the Young Turks, Lenin, the Imperial Showa, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, the Jong Ils? How about the KMT, The IRP, Castro, Peron [and, heck, the full variety of Argentina juntas], Idi Amin, Saddam Hussein, good ol' Dad and Boy Assad? Again, tons more where these came from, and all hugely and bloodily secular....

What's that you say? You were limiting the point to pederasty? Care to compare the proportion of pederasts found in University faculties to those found among the Christers?
When the Nambla types from Massachusetts or California are unearthed, or the child porn maestros from Amsterdam or Brussels are found out, they are a bunch of raving padres???

Down the River Charly.; 6/07/2012 6:30 PM
Mr roT said...: AA, that's too many examples for the Royal Mind.

Get Charly to the vapours doc, stat!; 6/08/2012 7:25 AM
Charly said...: We're actually largely saying the same thing: the institutionalization of commie dogma has taken the place of the religious one in the west, with similar consequences. Likewise, in the parts of Middle East where the Mullahs are or are close close to power, or in those with ideological centralized regime in which the cult of the leader mimics that of your garden variety deity/saint.

Now point out those nations under the political influence of strong religious organizations and in which freedom flourishes, lest you embark down the same river.

Pederasts in universities ? I can't think of a single instance, but I do know of a diocese in your neck of the woods that has significant expertise on the issue. As well as the diocese next door to it, etc... Talk about moral equivalence.; 6/08/2012 11:53 AM
Arelcao Akleos said...: Pederasts in universities? Start with a certain famous Pepean "linguist" at The Other School in Cambridge, and then travel all the way across Massachusetts Avenue to the sophisticates behind Summer's ouster at The School in Cambridge. But you could begin with Bezerkely, a certain state university in New Orleans, and just about every single faculty of the contemporary western university. You might, for example, try the philosophy departments at the University of Paris-- a Grande Ecole, fo sho, for you to swing on Foucault's "pendulum".
The sexual corruption of the religious is, at worst, just another day in the enclaves of Planet Pepe.; 6/09/2012 11:27 AM
Arelcao Akleos said...: "We're actually largely saying the same thing: the institutionalization of commie dogma has taken the place of the religious one in the west, with similar consequence"

This is rich.
First, commie dogmas [more accurately, socialist dogmas] have taken grip all over the world, with very similar consequences.
Second, the consequences in the West, for socialist dogmas, have been radically different than religious dogmas, and have been far more consistent in the cruelty of their consequences.
The National Socialism replaced the Christianity of the Lutherans, and those consequences were oh so not similar.
The International Socialism replaced the Christianity of the Orthodox, and those consequences were oh so not similar.
The Maoist Socialism of Pol Pot replaced the Buddhism of Cambodia and those consequences were oh so not similar.
A thousand examples could be given, but then you'd ignore them as you always have done the manifold inconvenient truths of "what is" versus "what Versailles wishes was".; 6/09/2012 11:34 AM
Arelcao Akleos said...: "Likewise, in the parts of Middle East where the Mullahs are or are close close to power, or in those with ideological centralized regime in which the cult of the leader mimics that of your garden variety deity/saint."

In the middle east it is true that the socialist dictatorships are consistently much closer in substance/practice to what the religious goverments do under Islam than when compared to other religions. But then that is a full comment on Islam.; 6/09/2012 11:36 AM
Arelcao Akleos said...: The Unites States has been a strongly religious nation for most of its history, and during most of that period it was far freer than almost anywhere else on earth.
The Italian city states in the Renaissance were highly religious, but were far freer then than almost anywhere else on earth.
Holland in the 1600s was a highly religious land, yet was far freer than almost anywhere else on earth.
Religious governments can certainly be tyrannical, but they can also be freer than most. And the nature of that religion, its dogmas and the role it ascribes to human freedom, have a powerful influence on the probabilities of whether it has grounds for nurturing free societies....or for spawning tyranny. They just ain't "all the same". And between the Mullahs who kill because a woman dances, versus the Baptist ministers who frown because a woman dances, is a bloody world of difference...
...That was the point, remember, where all this began.; 6/09/2012 11:45 AM
Arelcao Akleos said...: As for dogmas, and consequences, how is ye favorite New Socialist, Obamakles, doing by ya?; 6/09/2012 11:46 AM
Charly said...: He ain't doing by me ... but he ain't no socialist either. Now the Dutch man here with his ultra-egalitarian rhetoric, that underlies his idea of a uniform society, that's what I call a socialist. Your guy is happily blowing too many Wall Streeters to qualify as a socialist. Fortunately for you.

Of course the Baptist minister isn't a Taleban. That's because he is far from power. Give him the reigns and watch what happens.

Good points with Renaissance Italy and Holland, but those ain't the general rule. I raise you a Torquemada and a Paul IV.; 6/09/2012 12:39 PM
Charly said...: No idea who you are referring to @ universities. What are those institutions of high learning that accept prepubescents and allow their abuse in the process ?; 6/09/2012 12:41 PM
Charly said...: >>The Unites States has been a strongly religious nation for most of its history, and during most of that period it was far freer than almost anywhere else on earth.

Yup, thanks to the separation of church and state.; 6/09/2012 12:42 PM
Charly said...: (On that last point, scarlet letter and witch trials.; 6/09/2012 12:44 PM
Mr roT said...: The Scarlet Letter was a work of fiction, no?; 6/09/2012 12:48 PM
Charly said...: Baseless fiction.; 6/09/2012 1:19 PM
Charly said...: 7882 busy since yesterday. you changed numbers or just yapping away?; 6/09/2012 1:22 PM
Arelcao Akleos said...: "He ain't doing by me ... but he ain't no socialist either. Now the Dutch man here with his ultra-egalitarian rhetoric, that underlies his idea of a uniform society, that's what I call a socialist. Your guy is happily blowing too many Wall Streeters to qualify as a socialist. Fortunately for you."

Oh, he did by you for a very long time, until you decided it was no longer fun to be done by him very long time and voted with your feet.

Yes, he is a Socialist. Openly and proudly so for most of his life, until the few years in the 2000's when the brush up operation to prepare him for the Presidential run went into effect.
That he is a Socialist with close ties to the Buffet's and Soros', that he values the nationalization of certain industries, no more undoes his Socialism than it did Mussolini or Hitler, or undoes the Communist Party's rule over China.
Unfortunately for us, the simple tactics of his opportunism, as old as the "United Front" and as current as Fox &Piven, convinces many a person happy to not think about the roiling sea that gets ever nearer that, hey, what's there to worry in sailing down the River Charly?; 6/09/2012 11:17 PM
Arelcao Akleos said...: "No idea who you are referring to @ universities. What are those institutions of high learning that accept prepubescents and allow their abuse in the process ?"

Interesting how you assume that the faculties of the Universities would limit their attentions to those accepted by the University.
Interesting how you assume that the age criterion would have to be "prebuscent". You have 7 or 11 in mind? Guess 13 or 14 would be just fine and dandy? The Polansky Doctrine, perhaps?; 6/09/2012 11:24 PM
Charly said...: >>You have 7 or 11 in mind?
You are making a comparison with the clergy, remember?

>>Care to compare the proportion of pederasts found in University faculties to those found among the Christers? no idea who/what you are talking about. Linguist... Chomsky ? You wish.; 6/10/2012 12:10 AM
Charly said...: I suppose if Buffett is a socialist, presumably for being an advocate for a modicum of fairness in taxation, then nearly everyone else living in the US is too.

What are those industries nationalized by Obama?; 6/10/2012 12:33 AM
Tecumseh said...: Government Motors? Sort of..; 6/10/2012 1:56 AM
Arelcao Akleos said...: >The Unites States has been a strongly religious nation for most of its history, and during most of that period it was far freer than almost anywhere else on earth.

Yup, thanks to the separation of church and state.

That's the point. The men who founded the Constitution were almost all committed Christians....yet their religious beliefs were perfectly consistent with a separation of Church and State.
That was particular to Christianity, and not to Islam, say, where the dogma insists on a total unification of Koran and State.
That was particular to Christianity, and not Marxism, say, where dogma insists on the total elimination of Church by the State.

Your "Equivalence Principle" is on the order of the work of a Cargo Cult being "equivalent" to the Cal Tech's Jet Propulsion Lab.; 6/10/2012 2:51 AM
Arelcao Akleos said...: Uh, Obama is the Socialist, and Buffett is the Versaillean who intends his family to retain an influential role in what he perceives to be the inevitable new order. Soros has always been an agent of Socialism, beginning right with his days as an informant for the Nazis, and ever rewarded with rights of most profitably scavenging from the damned..... but always for the Greater Good, of course.; 6/10/2012 2:57 AM
Arelcao Akleos said...: Now, a reminder of how this started. With Charly declaring the act of murdering women for having danced similar to the act of frowning at women for having danced.

There is no getting away from that, Charly.; 6/10/2012 3:00 AM
Tecumseh said...: You hit the nail on the head, AA. Charly is the world champ of false moral equivalency.; 6/10/2012 3:38 AM
Charly said...: >>Government Motors? Sort of..
Receiving a loan is not like being nationalized (unless it's an individual's credit card debt, that is). Besides GM repaid it ahead of schedule.; 6/10/2012 4:28 AM
Charly said...: >> That's the point. The men who founded the Constitution were almost all committed Christians....yet their religious beliefs were perfectly consistent with a separation of Church and State.

Exactly - no one is saying that you need be a committed atheist to be in a position of power, only that religious beliefs ought to stay out of the realm of politics.

>>Now, a reminder of how this started. With Charly declaring the act of murdering women for having danced similar to the act of frowning at women for having danced. There is no getting away from that, Charly.

Not what I said. The difference between the taliban and the baptist thumper is somewhat like that between Brezhnev and Marchais. One is in a position of power, and the other limited to spewing his nonsense. Saying that the two are ideologically similar isn't the same as saying they can do the same things.

Hearing the baptists talk like talebs does make one wonder what would happen if they ran the show. And given how the talebs are handling their people, along with the -shared- conviction that they know the true Word, taleban-sounding rhetoric is a reminder of what could happen if the bible thumpers were in their shoes.

Talking of which, how do you like your LDS priest/candidate ?; 6/10/2012 5:00 AM

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