Saturday, June 14, 2008

Nina Berman


[Sorry, Pepe. I needed some protection form your joy-at-tragedy (I mean art--sorry again) here.--JJ.]

8 comments:

Tecumseh said...

Good editorial decision, JJ.

Mr roT said...

Thank you AI. We agree sometimes.

Pepe le Pew said...

why you like your little war to be not too disturbing?

Mr roT said...

There are less gratuitous ways of showing the obvious fact that war is difficult. Saddam did similar thing to his own people and they too are living with their wounds. To put a destroyed man up as you have is a sickening voyeurism on other people's noble suffering and it sickens me.
Not for the Marine's appearance, but for stupid shallow bastards taking it as some sort of object lesson where none is needed.

I feel the same way about the 'art' of one cunt named Diane Arbus, Her freakshows get great writeups in the NYT and are the subject of giant and publicized shows at the Metropolitan Museum of Art.

But they are no more than leering at the ugly and walking out thinking vacuously,"but for the grace of God, go I."

It is all shit, and equivalently shit. It is Hieronymous Bosch and Edvard Munch with the added power of truth that the technological development of photography affords.

Pepe le Pew said...

To put a destroyed man up as you have is a sickening voyeurism on other people's noble suffering and it sickens me.

You've got it all wrong: he obviously agreed to it. By that same token, you would object to capa, salgado and stanley green! All showed the impact of wars on humanity.

I think what you find disturbing is that what this does do is raise the question as to whether the suffering is worth it.

The supporters of this war have been strangely mute on the subject of the human impact of the war, banning cameras from coffins, for instance. You can call it anti-voyeurism but anyone objective can see this is little more than damage-control.

Pepe le Pew said...

There are less gratuitous ways of showing the obvious fact that war is difficult.

yeah, like government statistics ?

Mr roT said...

I think what you find disturbing is that what this does do is raise the question as to whether the suffering is worth it.

I equated this garbage to Diane Arbus'. In what way does her work bring up the question whether some war or another is worth it?

The war has its price. We agree. So? Not going to war has its price too.

I don't know the photogs you mention. Do you know Arbus? If you did, I guess you would understand what I am getting at.

This is all junk.

Pepe le Pew said...

Of course I know Arbus. She's one of my favorite photographers. She has an image of an american "patriot" (with the "bomb Hanoi" button) that is an icon of american photography. Will find it & post.