freecounterpoint: is this propaganda too?

Saturday, September 23, 2006

is this propaganda too?

15 comments:

Mr roT said...: Is that Joe Wilson talking?; 9/24/2006 2:19 AM
The Darkroom said...: Y'all are stranegely silent on this topic. If anything it explains the quotes arount "wot".

who's joe wilson ?; 9/24/2006 10:40 AM
The Darkroom said...: Frederick Jones, a White House spokesman, said the White House “played no role in drafting or reviewing the judgments expressed in the National Intelligence Estimate on terrorism.”
no fucking shit. Can you imagine this WH publicly admitting that their objectives have not only miserably failed but achieved precisely the opposite of what they were set up to do ?; 9/24/2006 2:48 PM
My Frontier Thesis said...: An opening section of the report, “Indicators of the Spread of the Global Jihadist Movement,” cites the Iraq war as a reason for the diffusion of jihad ideology.

Wow, man, that's like, so deep.

...How about short-sighted?

How many times do we have to reference the Qu'ran, Pepe, before you understand that the ethos and tenants of any warlord religion is, in this case, more responsible for "the diffusion of jihad ideology." You rip on the Old and New Testaments (which I'm fine with) but you rarely treat the Qu'ran with equal contempt. From an agnostic standpoint, or from a Jeffersonian/diest perspective, the central and secular theme within the New Testament is that Jesus Christ preached unconditional forgiveness.

And what is the central theme of the happy and innocent Qu'ran?...; 9/24/2006 6:12 PM
The Darkroom said...: mft - i don't think you have ever heard me make an argument in favor of militant islam.
i haven't made any statements expressing opposition to nazism, mass murder, racism and child pornography either - we all agree on those. and we all agree on the noxious nature of a fringe of islam.

That being said, I find the amalgamation of all of islam with its militant fringe, as has been posted repeatedly on this board, rather narrow-minded. I have travelled many times in Muslim countries and find the culture to be very different from how it is portrayed in the US, not to mention this board.; 9/24/2006 8:09 PM
My Frontier Thesis said...: I have travelled many times in Muslim countries and find the culture to be very different from how it is portrayed in the US, not to mention this board.

That said, you'll find that every individual who posts on this board has travelled abroad, many times, and many times more.

I've been as abroad as Tashkent, Uzbekistan, met some really nice folks, but was a bit confused when told by a couple acquaintances, "My goal in life is to memorize the Qu'ran." Wow, I thought. It seems like Rabelais, or Musil's, The Man Without Qualities, or some other work within the Western Canon would be more worth memorizing than the chanting of warlord Mohommad. Would you agree with that statement?

Of course, everyone who claims to be Muslim does not take up the jihad scimitar. But what about the Islamic outcry when, for example, a Saudi woman claims agnosticism and critiques the Qu'ran? Imams issue fatwas, and MEN run into the streets and scream that this Infidel individual -- a woman no less! -- should have her blood spilled in the streets. Yes: we in the Western world find this behavior of Muslim Men disgusting.

What the Islamic world needs is individuals such as these -- seemingly lone individuals (I'll bet there are many more) -- who come from within, who, essentially, act as the Voltaire, the Hume, the Gibbon, the Mencken, the Iconoclast of their society.

I haven't made any statements expression opposition to the current administration, but does that mean I support it unconditionally? Let me say this: while Rush Limbaugh is brilliant with rhetoric, I don't think he, or John Kerry, or Chirac, or Putin, or politicians in general for that matter, have read more than fifty books, cover to cover, in their entire lives. That's really f#cking sad.

sidenote: I sometimes wonder if the American Public is ready to delve beyond the binary political depths of "Democrat" and "Republican." There's so much bullshit baggage assumed and presupposed with each title. To date, there's no way I'd ascribe to either.; 9/24/2006 9:32 PM
Arelcao Akleos said...: Of course Pepe chooses to ignore/forget that it is precisely from heeding calls from Vichyests such as he, as to the "virtues" of light, delicate, nuanced, and quickly submissive, "conduct of war", that pushed along the Bush administration into the position that the solution to a cesspool is not to drain it but to perfume it.
Yes, pathetic shame on the Bushies for letting themselves being so pushed, for putting petty Washington interests over the national good [at a time the national good has a knife to its throat]. But pathetic shame on the Pepenos who have so stridently pushed for precisely this result, only to now offer a slice of the perverse Clintonian comedy of "hey, I was the tough one".; 9/25/2006 3:47 AM
The Darkroom said...: at a time the national good has a knife to its throat
attila is coming ?; 9/25/2006 9:09 AM
Mr roT said...: I have travelled many times in Muslim countries and find the culture to be very different from how it is portrayed in the US, not to mention this board.

In that case they are ready for democracy and we ought to go after the rest of the dictators. Thatnk for that probing comment, Pepe!; 9/25/2006 10:08 AM
The Darkroom said...: jj - you are barely able to go after one dictator and you already want to get the others ? with what army and what political support, pray tell ?; 9/25/2006 10:16 AM
The Darkroom said...: We got army enough for knocking them down.
Care to back that up ? The army, marines & national guard are so bogged down with the fallout from the last attempt at dictator-bashing it is difficult to imagine it would care much to spread itself thinner.
As far as support goes, methinks it would take no less than a nukular attack from the evildoers to get a majority of the legislators to back yet another of dubbyah's quichotesque adventure.; 9/25/2006 10:38 AM
The Darkroom said...: Hope for the best of your friendly muslim moderates will grovel in filthy dictatorships forever.
If the alternative is suicide bombings, beheadings and power-tool drilling, it's an interesting dilema. What would you go for ? Surely there is a third way.; 9/25/2006 10:46 AM
Mr roT said...: I doubt there's a third way, particularly if the smarter than thous in Paris, Berlin, Beijing, and Moscow are rowing against.
If the left wants to ensure this turns into another Vietnam, then I hope this time the blood of the successors to the Cambodians, montagnards and boat people sticks to their hands unlike after Vietnam.
What made this look like a Quixotic adventure was Saddam's paying off the UN and bigshot moralists in Paris, Berlin, Beijing, and Moscow.; 9/25/2006 12:50 PM
My Frontier Thesis said...: What made this look like a Quixotic adventure was Saddam's paying off the UN and bigshot moralists in Paris, Berlin, Beijing, and Moscow.

Yes, it's a bit difficult to unconditionally fight the dictatorial hand that feeds you.

Pepe: check out the scholarship from another historical case study, a fellow countryman of yours from that hotly contested region of Alsace-Lorraine.

Do you think you'll read it?; 9/25/2006 2:49 PM
The Darkroom said...: If the left wants to ensure this turns into another Vietnam
that's what dubbyah did, not the left !

particularly if the smarter than thous in Paris, Berlin, Beijing, and Moscow are rowing against
You don't think the neocons deserve the credit for their own fuck ups ? If that ain't blame shifting, I dunno what is.; 9/25/2006 3:00 PM

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