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Monday, March 16, 2009
The Soc'ian Grandeur of Holodomor
"Let them eat mancakes!" sayeth Ayer AmericaUkraine, Georgia, the whole sorry socialist shebang
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Gotta break a few eggs...
But hey, you barbarian, fight!
Fight over a building?
OK, sure.
Note how the Russians still deny responsibility for the Holodomor (or for Katyn, or for countless other crimes of Stalin). But, in sheer scale, this was the biggest single mass killing carried out by the commies during his time in power. And the most horrible: it lead to cannibalism, and other unspeakable horrors. But you'll never, ever see a pinko being ashamed about it.
What about the Native Americans, Tecs? The ricains were worse.
Pepe, I think the pinkos bore a lot more responsibility than you acknowledge.
By going to Cuba, China and Russia and serving as apologists for the hard commie regimes, they were really arguing for the hard commies.
Think Jane Fonda in N Vietnam. Those guys were massive killers and the Left still think we in the US were in the wrong!
I remember that when the Black Book of Communism came out, the Europinkos immediately came out with 'counterbalancing' black books of the West, the Church,... you name it, relativizing Stalin's and Mao's bloodbaths with the pecadillos of a couple deadbeats here that really can't compare.
You're right that the mere pinko (e.g. Sartre and his assholytes) didn't do any forced collectivizations, but it is also true that those pinkos were a bit more forgiving than they should have been... kinda like us real Americans giving Somoza a break because he wasn't as bad as the commies that were contending for power (but Mao didn't have any competitors and Somoza didn't kill half the country on purpose...).
Staying on theme (forget about Somoza, he's just a punk wanna be caudillo), while answering Pepe's question: You don't have to go further than Walter Duranty, the New York Times' start reporter in Soviet Russia during the Holodomor. What Duranty did was absolutely shameful: he encouraged and abetted mass murder by his glowing reporting of the Radiant Future in the Promised Pinko Land. And yes, for all this he was not taken to task, or shamed -- no,. no, no -- he was awarded a Pulitzer Prize, which to this day the Slimes refuses to rescind.
So you see, mon cher Pepe, your fellow pinkos really were accomplice to the "hard commie" crimes, such as the mass, forced starvation of the Ukrainians in the 1930s. And they never regretted that, or repented. They just keep ululating.
Tecs, I think Pepe would rightly say that Duranty didn't shoot any Ukrainians. He says responsible.
Let's just say they did what they could and lost the battle over here. We didn't end up electing commies here because the whiz-kids at Harvard and Berkeley were outvoted.
Perhaps, Pepe, what Tecs and the Right really want (and deserve) is for the pinkos to admit they were wrong on that one at least.
Too many on the Right have knuckled and 'admitted' we were in the wrong in VietNam, for example.
You have to consider this from the context of the 30s-50s, tec. The commies were the major anti-nazi force and the promise of communism as a social ideal resonated well into the 60s until people were truly awakened to the horrors of Stalin (See Gide for instance, and Koesler). I am not disputing that it took decades for it to happen but WWI was seen largely as a bourgeois war and again, most of the resistance during WWII was commie. So this ideology came in Europe as the one alternative to an incredibly savage context and gave people the illusion for a while that there was an alternative to the butchery of the two wars.
I don't think we can forget Somoza and the rest, Tecs. They were our bastards and we should have an argument there. I truly believe that their communist opponents would have been worse and that however the little indios over there, they were better off with our bastard.
Stillm if you want Planet Pepe to admit wrong over Ho Chih Minh, it's time to produce a good argument for the colonels, Argentina,...
Pepe, it is not true that most of the resistance in WWII was commie. This is actually a bunch of lies that the left-media passed in the time since.
In fact, this is rightly what Tecs is mad as hell about and wants admissions for.
Also, Pepe, the resonating till the '60s was done by the media's little Durantys. This is clear.
It was no secret what was going on in Russia, but the media and the universities were still pushing the idea that communism was ok. If you got a sophisticated thinker, you got the more nuanced idea that communism is ok when there are no bad people around.
You have to consider this from the context of the 30s-50s, tec. The commies were the major anti-nazi force.
This is total pinko bullshit:
(1) First of all, the Holodomor happened in 1932-1933, and had nothing to do with Hitler (who only came to power in 1933). Walter Duranty's reporting from Moscow (and his whitewashing of Stalin's crimes) started even before:
In a June 24, 1931 article in the New York Times, Duranty gives his views of the Soviet actions in the countryside that eventually led to the famine in Ukraine. He asserted that the kulaks, i.e. the allegedly rich peasants who opposed the collectivization of farming had been an "almost privileged class" under Lenin. Duranty said that just as the Bolsheviks had eliminated the former ruling class of the Czarist regime, so would the same fate now befall the kulaks, whom he numbered at 5,000,000. They would be "dispossessed, dispersed, demolished". He compared Stalin's logic in the matter to that of the Biblical Prophet Samuel or Tamerlane. He said that these people were to be "'liquidated' or melted in the hot fire of exile and labor into the proletarian mass".
(2) World War II started as a direct consequence of the Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact, a de facto alliance between the Soviet Union and Nazi Germany. So spare me the pinko propaganda, willya?
Thank you Tecs. I was talking in smaller terms about the anti-fascist resistance movements here and there. They were famously a mix of deluded ex-fascists, commies, royalists, and democrats in Italy. I can't imagine things would be much different elsewhere.
Your setting the period more aptly of course makes the argument even stronger.
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