The "Jesus Camp" coordinator, Becky Fischer, remains crazy and locked into the romantic notion that there was some type of swooning, religious 'City on a Hill' in the pre-Taliban days. Good intentions, partly. Dangerous most certainly.
Rev. Jim Moos of Bismarck's United Church of Christ opines: "I heard a lot of language of 'war' and 'enemy,' " he said. "Jesus talked about enemies a lot - he talked about loving them and praying for them."
A Lutheran friend of mine (seminary dropout; newly arrived history grad student) who hails from the same Burleigh and Emmons county area as myself said this lady is misguiding children. (He actually used a bit different language but it's not worth repeating here)
We see that our own religious leaders from the local to the national levels are warning against and condemning this type of "Christianity."
Now I wonder if folks in the Islamic world would speak out against radical Islam the way we Americans check our own with secular Reason and Rationale.
As always, the Liberal Litmus Test: what do you think, Pepe?
Sunday, October 08, 2006
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Also, grab a beer and some popcorn, here's a link to the trailer.
I think the main difference is how vocally muslims can complain about the extremist fringe of their beliefs. I know personally of no muslims that aren't critical of the radical types (referred to pejoratively as "les barbus" followed by a roll of the eyes), but for them there is more risk in expressing that view. People despise them quietly.
In the US, your "barbus" are completely in the mainstream and socially acceptable. In a sense it is more insidious: the muslim radicals are ostracized among many of their educated peers, but only the left sees the evangelicals as a frightening anomaly. And why would the conservatives denounce them ? They are one of the most powerful political forces around.
You personally know muslims with Ph Ds in the hard sciences. Duh.
Our barbus don't hang people from soccer goals for criticisizing them. That's why they can be criticized.
You have argued our point. Ours aren't barbarians.
Merci.
Pepe, there's no reason to introduce your genital warts into the discussion.
mft - you swore you'd keep it our little secret.
My point was binary, Pepe. The worst of our wackos is not as bad as the worst of their wackos, and we are free to criticize the worst of our wackos while (relatively speaking) not having to face a lynch mob.
This makes me think of the Civil Rights Movement and the preceding century of sustained activism that eventually liberated blacks, particularly in the South. I wonder: would you have said that opposing radical groups like the KKK only causes them to hate us more, and we should just sit down and listen to what the Grand Wizards have to say so we can "understand" them?
I won't convince you, Pepe, I know, I know. I'm just taking a break from Le Goff.
I didn't think this was a race to see who the dumbest is! How do you manage to keep winning?
Whoa, good one. Chalk another one up for JJ.
too-shay
In 2004 Le Goff received the Dr A.H. Heineken Prize for History from the Royal Netherlands Academy of Arts and Sciences.
Mmmmmm. Beer.
heineken is not beer
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