freecounterpoint: The French are getting ready to fight!

Tuesday, October 17, 2006

The French are getting ready to fight!

In what general direction?

16 comments:

Arelcao Akleos said...: Fighting is only fun for Francois if he can go against someone who actually follows the Geneva convention.; 10/17/2006 4:24 PM
My Frontier Thesis said...: The Eternal Recurrence: Once again, anti-semitism is a part of the official French High Command doctrine.

Is it better to be an anti-semite instead of a nihilist?

At the very least, I suppose it's good to see France move in at least some direction.; 10/17/2006 4:44 PM
Tecumseh said...: I was thinking of the Monty Python "general direction"...; 10/17/2006 9:35 PM
Mr roT said...: I think during the past Israel-Hezbollah, IDF killed a couple Europeans posted with UNIFIL. I would have shot at them too.; 10/17/2006 9:49 PM
The Darkroom said...: Once again, anti-semitism is a part of the official French High Command doctrine.
Protecting lebanese civilians against israeli bombings is anti-semitic? I guess i whole-heartedly support antisemitism then. Shit, I am a nazi jew-hater and didn't know it.

Seriousy, have you people followed the blanketing of southern lebanon with cluster bombs and its impact of civilians? or is it just that, as long as these aren't muslim-dropped bombs, it's "circulez, y'a rien a voir" ?; 10/17/2006 11:03 PM
Mr roT said...: Pepe, wars aren't nice and Hezbollah started one with its incursion into Israel from S Lebanon. Hezbollah was the de facto military power in S Lebanon and the locals seemed cool with it. Beirut couldn't do anything about it and the UN probably isn't going to do much about it now. The locals also tolerated Hezbollah's mixing with them so that when the IDF would bring down a building with a missile-launcher on the roof, a couple dozen women and kids would get killed in the collapse. Either way Hezbollah wins: with the missiles or with CNN showing the little bodies and the rest of us safely in our Cambridge digs listeniing to Bach on the radio can be rather smug in our tut-tutting while Haifa is under Hezbollah rockets.

If the locals think they chose the strong horse in Hezbollah, all their dead might be a good warning that tolerating terrorists brings death and destruction down on them too.

About UNIFIL, that's another story. The Israelis accidentally hit a couple UN installations there and I never saw any official regrets. If Israel can't guarantee the safety of UN troops put there at their own behest, then those troops should defend themselves.

Tough shit for everyone.; 10/17/2006 11:23 PM
My Frontier Thesis said...: First and foremost: Pepe, I didn't mean to provoke or anything of that sort. France has consistently been anti-semitic for generations. There's no need to get worked up about it. Remember that time that Vichy was sending so many Jews to the concentration camps in rail cars that the Nazi High Command asked them to hold off a bit cause they couldn't "process" (aka, exterminate) them at that volume?

And now, some lighter but connected dialog:

Folks, don't forget to tip your servers...

She watched him pray and after about 45 minutes, when he turned to leave, she approached him for an interview.
CNN: "Sir, I'm Lotta Twotta from CNN, formerly at the New York Times before they downsized, but that's not important, how long have you been coming to the Wall and praying?"
Rabbi: "For about 60 years."
CNN: "60 years! That's amazing! What do you pray for?"
Rabbi: "I pray for peace between the Christians, Jews and the Muslims. I pray for all the hatred to stop and I pray for all our children to grow up in safety and friendship."
CNN: "So, how do you feel after doing this for 60 years?"
Rabbi: "Like I'm talking to a f#@&!ng wall."

Hezbollah: "What is the difference between a mortar shell and a dead baby?"
CNN: "What?"
Hezbollah: "It's hard to lift a mortar shell out of the rubble with a pitchfork"

Hezbollah: "How many dead babies will it take for the world to cry massacre?"
CNN: "How many?"
Hezbollah: "One. If you photograph him enough times."

The Link.; 10/18/2006 12:45 AM
The Darkroom said...: France has consistently been anti-semitic for generations.

The example you choose to use to back this up is vichy. Do you have more recent examples of anti-semitism as a matter of policy or is france anti-semitic like ukraine and poland, germany is nazi, italy fascist, and america at war with mexico ?; 10/18/2006 9:09 AM
The Darkroom said...: Pepe, wars aren't nice and Hezbollah started one with its incursion into Israel from S Lebanon
This is absurd. Israel responded to a minor provocation (the kidnapping of 2 soldiers) with a full blown war that cost many lives, most of which weren't supportive of hezbollah.; 10/18/2006 9:42 AM
My Frontier Thesis said...: You're right, Pepe. I'm certain the anti-semetism that had embedded itself in French culture and society stopped, just like that, on April 30, 1945, just after Hitler chomped on poison and put a bullet through his head. After that, no one was anti-semetic anywhere! It was so wonderful! Every Frenchman had also participated in the Resistance! Hurrah!

I'm sure the Dreyfus Affair was another isolated incident in the late 19th century.

It'd be akin to me asking you if racism was wiped clean after the North crushed the South -- we know that it took at least another 100 years to finally get some Civil Rights for blacks.

If we use that as a time model, France has about another 40 years to go before they can officially be "Jew-Hating" free. (61-100=39) For some reason, I don't see any of that happening.; 10/18/2006 1:46 PM
The Darkroom said...: mft - you are extrapolating the policies of petain with the general feeling in the population today.
This is as silly as saying that you are still in the witch-hunting mindset of the 50s...
Sorry, bad example.
ok, this is the same as saying that you are still bent on lynching japanese-americans.; 10/18/2006 2:40 PM
The Darkroom said...: But in short, let me re-iterate the question: do you have recent examples of anti-semitism as a matter of policy ? If not, you don't have a leg to stand on.; 10/18/2006 2:41 PM
Tecumseh said...: " lynching japanese-americans"

What's that all about? Yet another one of those perfervid LSD-induced urban legends of the Amerikkka-is-the-source-of-all-evil crowd?; 10/18/2006 2:53 PM
The Darkroom said...: surely you know how americans of japanese descent were treated during WWII.; 10/18/2006 4:13 PM
My Frontier Thesis said...: The anti-semetism in Europe and France today comes from the bottom-up, that is from the "lower" strata of society which happens, oh-my-gosh!, to be Muslim. How French and European governments respond to synagogue burnings is just as important as how they don't respond.

Click on these for sources: whoops. Uh-oh, not again.

Note: Pepe, I'm not referring to you as being antisemetic, I hope you understand. It's akin to someone saying, "America is racist." Not across the board, but yeah, there are biggots and racists in America, at the top levels of government, on both the political right and left.; 10/18/2006 5:02 PM
Tecumseh said...: surely you know how americans of japanese descent were treated during WWII.

Some were interned for the duration of the war by the Roosevelt administration, out of security concerns, following the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor. (The constitutionality of this presidential decree was upheld by the Supreme Court in 1944.) As far as I know, there were no "lynchings", as you baselessly accuse the US in engaging in. This kind of historical revisionism, based on nothing else but sheer spite against the US, is one of the trademark distinguishing features of the anti-American Left -- not much different than the "Protocols of the Elder of Zion" in its invidious calumnies and absurd claims.; 10/18/2006 5:26 PM